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Four England talking points after their abject defeat in Scotland

The dejected reaction of Theo Dan, Will Stuart and Joe Marler after Saturday's England loss (Photo by David Rogers/Getty Images)

Saturday was a brutal reminder that England remain a second-rate Guinness Six Nations team. Just 17 weeks ago, Steve Borthwick’s squad painted Paris a rosy red complexion after clinching a bronze medal finish at the Rugby World Cup.

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What Steve did in a short sprint was incredible,” said Conor O’Shea, the RFU director of high performance, last weekend to RugbyPass. He went on to describe himself as “more than optimistic” about long-term English success based on the amount of young talent coming through the pathway system.

That may well eventually happen, but the feeling on the slow retreat from Edinburgh this weekend is that such giddy progress is years down the line from fruition given the continued limitations in England’s play that were clinically exposed by Scotland.

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The Scots were roundly laughed at following another pool stage World Cup elimination last October, but what transpired at Scottish Gas Murrayfield was a sharp reminder that the France 2023 draw which pitted them against Ireland and South Africa was hugely skewed.

England – who had lost six of their initial nine matches with Borthwick at the helm as Eddie Jones’ successor – hit the jackpot in being able to muddle their way through to the last four before producing a one-off performance that got them within a whisker of beating the Springboks in the rain.

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Borthwick’s yap in recent weeks was that England were genuinely going places, nurturing growth in their game despite a continued lack of penetration in attack and teething issues with the Felix Jones blitz defence.

His enthusiasm was that three- and two-point wins over Italy and Wales had this ‘new’ England nicely set up to finish higher up the table, but the abject manner of their round three defeat will now have fans fearing a repeat of the old – a fourth Six Nations campaign where just two of their five matches are won.

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That would be an unpalatable outcome and a huge dent in the credibility of Borthwick. Only an against-the-odds win over Ireland or France can rescue their spring and see them finish with more wins than losses for the first time since 2020.

That’s a tall order given their meek surrender of a 10-point lead in Scotland in exchange for a nine-point loss. Here are the RugbyPass talking points from this troubling defeat:

Blitz played into canny Scottish hands
It was disconcerting to listen to Borthwick bemoan the lack of cohesion about the England 10/12/13 combination. Ollie Lawrence and Henry Slade had been his preferred midfield partnership for most of last year’s Six Nations, so their buddying-up wasn’t a step into the unknown.

Putting them in tandem with George Ford admittedly was something unfamiliar but as a 93-cap veteran coming into the fixture, it was hardly a rookie risk that should have backfired so damagingly. “Too many fundamental errors,” bemoaned Borthwick.

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Blame the new defensive approach. “It was actually made for him, a blitz defence allows people with good footwork to get behind the defence,” cooed Scottish boss Gregor Townsend about the bludgeoning second-half impact of replacement Cameron Redpath to complement the opening-half damage inflicted by Sione Tuipulotu and Huw Jones.

There has been so much hype about England recruiting Felix Jones from the Springboks to coach their rearguard in place of Kevin Sinfield. References about a more aggressive line speed were plentiful in recent weeks but the scores on the board so far don’t suggest an upgrade.

Eight tries have been conceded in three matches, one more than the seven given up last February in games against the same opposition – Italy, Wales and Scotland. The England honeymoon has ended quickly for the World Cup-winning Jones.

Ball-fumbling culprits everywhere
Momentum-sapping moments, mostly to do with their deeply wounding tally of 22 turnovers in possession, sucked the life out of error-strewn England. They had just 10 turnovers away in Italy and 13 at home to Wales, so Saturday’s level of flakiness easily jumped out as a damaging weakness.

Danny Care and Lawrence were the biggest culprits, coughing up the ball three times each. Care’s 16th-minute out-on-the-full touchfinder was essentially the beginning of the end for his team’s bright 10-point start. Scotland got on the board just four minutes later, but the No9 and No12 can’t be apportioned too much of the blame.

The reality was that 14 of England’s match day 23 contributed to the total turnover tally. George Furbank’s spill (the axed Freddie Steward doesn’t make galling errors like that) and a lost lineout were pivotal in the concession of Scotland’s second and third tries.

Minding the ball is a skill that must be prioritised or Ireland will have a field day.

‘Losing’ the first half yet again
Borthwick highlighted following the round two win over Wales how England – on his watch – had seemingly become much better at ‘winning’ the second half of matches. That run came a cropper against the Scots, the hosts ‘winning’ the second period 13-8.

This outcome showed that a team just can’t keep going to the well and relying on replacement-boosted comebacks to dig them out of trouble. England’s bench was too easily eclipsed by what the better Scottish cover had to offer.

Perhaps instead of an emphasis on second-half ‘wins’. England should prioritise being in front at the break in these games instead of habitually playing catch-up.

Saturday was the third match this month where Borthwick addressed a half-time dressing room with his team down on the scoreboard. That situation can’t continue if England are to stop being Six Nations also-rans.

Toss Ireland a Feyi-Waboso curveball
It was chilling seeing England getting filleted by Duhan van der Merwe’s 25-minute try hat-trick. His was the perfect combination of power and pace that just doesn’t seem to get chosen on the English wings these days.

Playing wide isn’t their thing under Borthwick, unless you’re Henry Arundell scoring tries for fun in the facile dismissal of Chile last September at the World Cup.

Arundell, of course, is no longer England-eligible after opting to stay on at Racing 92. The bulked-up Tommy Freeman has been the beneficiary of that development as well as the retirement of Jonny May, whose ability to fashion a try dried up at France 2023 due to the repeated lack of width in Borthwick’s tactics.

With this curbed approach ongoing, Freeman and favourite wing pick Elliot Daly don’t have fear-factor, van der Merwe-like qualities to pose a consistent scoring threat.

England have needed the boot of Ford to account for 39 of their 64 points this past month, so how about Borthwick changing it up the next day versus Ireland by handing rookie Immanuel Feyi-Waboso his first start?

The 21-year-old needed just a short time off the bench at Murrayfield to get on the scoresheet, changing wings to catch Scotland out and register England’s fifth try in 240 championship minutes.

His cameo caught the eye. “I’m not going to pronounce his name but he was a real threat,” commented opposition boss Townsend in the aftermath. Quite the compliment. Borthwick should feel the same way and serve Ireland a curveball.

While he’s at it, the promotion of George Martin to start is also a must if the speed of Ireland’s ruck ball is to be slowed. Just eight per cent of Irish rucks against the Welsh in Dublin took six seconds or longer.

England must mischief-make, the same as they did against South Africa four months ago. The evidence in Scotland, though, was that they are miles off where they need to be.

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Flankly 268 days ago

Talking point: Always limit your opponent to less than 17 points.

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finn 270 days ago

Well, England ran the ball and it didn’t work.

Hopefully we can now go back to kicking for the last 2 fixtures

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Colin 270 days ago

Slade is not international class. He has no footwork like Marchant and he misses too many tackles. Daly is not a real attacking threat and neither is Freeman on yesterdays performance. But the real issue is the front 5 not carrying ON THEIR FEET like the Irish players so. Chessum takes the ball static is head down and flops over after a metre. The Irish forwards stay on their feet and FIGHT to go forward often with footwork. Wigglesworth cannot inspire attacking play and why does Borthwick pick players better than the 15 starters and leave them on the bench? If Ruskin was available would he be picked? Doubt it. Selection and coaching are still poor when it comes to England.

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Tom 270 days ago

There is still such a lack of cohesion in everything these lads try and do. Apart from Russel and Van Der Merwe the Scottish team isn’t full of stars, same with the Irish, but they're superbly coached and by that I mean they're not overcoached. Both teams have such a sense of purpose, the team has an identity and they all play to it. England are the antithesis of this, you've got a stodgy territory based team who are trying to now throw the ball around and implement a blitz defence, they don't know if they're coming or going. We've got players who are phenomenal for their clubs standing around looking confused, missing tackles and throwing passes at people's heads.

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Chris 270 days ago

Connor O Shea director of high performance
You couldn't make it up

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Fritz 270 days ago

England media is their worst enemy, just asked Owen Farrell

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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