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Four Ireland talking points as they cling to a win over Argentina

By Liam Heagney at Aviva Stadium, Dublin
Josh van der Flier (third from left) and teammate Thomas Clarkson (fourth from left) celebrate Ireland's victory over Argentina (Photo by Piaras Ó Mídheach/Sportsfile via Getty Images)

Friday’s Autumn Nations Series result in Dublin was ultimately as expected, an Ireland win by a close margin over an Argentina team very much improved under Felipe Contepomi.

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Andy Farrell’s teams have been in the habit of quickly bouncing back from a loss on his watch. This was the seventh occasion that a defeat was immediately followed by a win, a pattern stretching back to February 2021.

There were quibbles about the manner of the performance but the ugly 22-19 success against the Pumas was nonetheless impressive for the dogged fashion in which they refused to bend, getting their November back on track following last weekend’s disappointing 13-23 loss to New Zealand.

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Their hope will be that this latest recovery will lead on to further wins versus Fiji and Australia to send Farrell, the 2025 British and Irish Lions boss, off on his sabbatical with a genuine smile rather than Friday’s grimace. Here are the RugbyPass Ireland talking points following their Argentine nail-biter:

Penalty avalanche
It says a lot about Ireland’s grit that they have managed to win two of their last three matches despite getting done on the penalty count – cumulatively conceding 37 penalties to 19 – and suffering an avalanche of 54 points from 18 kicks off the tee as a result.

In Durban 18 weeks ago, they conceded 11 penalties to eight, inviting South Africa to kick eight penalties for 24 points. Last week in Dublin, it was 13 penalties to five which allowed New Zealand to kick six penalties for 18 points.

Then on Friday night back at the Aviva it was 13 penalties to six, a tally that led to Argentina kicking four of the penalties for 12 points.

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Ireland still pipped the Springboks and the Pumas by one- and three-point margins either side of the 10-point loss to the All Blacks. But these excessive penalty numbers are not a good look for a team that historically gives up very few double digit concessions.

Of course, the game has been altered since July with the latest round of law updates. It was why Finlay Bealham was yellow carded for his 17th-minute croc roll on Joel Sclavi, but Ireland can’t blame all the indiscipline on it suddenly being ‘a new game’.

The 25th-minute obstruction from Ronan Kelleher and the push from James Lowe 24 minutes later were simply sloppy, needless concessions.

There were also avoidable technical offences, such as closing the gap at the lineout on 40 minutes and not driving straight at a 63rd-minute scrum, and that’s before we get into the list of offsides and no release breakdown calls.

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It’s time for Ireland to stop the rot and get off this naughty step.

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A second too-long scoring blank
Aside from discipline, it’s fair to say that Ireland also have an attack intensity issue to investigate. It has gone under the radar that they are playing in this Autumn Nations Series without Mike Catt as their backs and attack coach.

He was the assistant that emboldened their creativity some years ago, helping to deliver back-to-back Six Nations titles and seeing them travel to France 2023 as one of the favourites to lift the trophy.

Opting to step away from the Test game, Catt has signed up for a Super Rugby Pacific stint with the Waratahs in Australia which was why he had his successor Andrew Goodman down in South Africa four months ago shadowing him before properly stepping into the role this November.

Goodman, a former Leinster and Crusaders assistant, worked with Samoa at last year’s World Cup, so he isn’t a Test level rookie, but it seems to have been a tricky settling in period these past few weeks running the backs and helping Farrell with attacking strategy.

It’s weird given the rich plaudits for the levels of Irish potency in recent years that they were held scoreless from the 43rd-minute against New Zealand and from the 33rdminute versus Argentina. They are both extraordinarily long barren periods for a team you would not characterise as blunt.

Their threat was evident in the opening salvo where they ‘won’ the 10-minute period of the Matias Moroni yellow card 12-3 and were then only a Tadhg Beirne grounding away from another try shortly after the binned Argentine returned.

That was an impressive reminder that Farrell’s Ireland can still excitingly carve an opposition open, but these second-half blanks must be addressed.

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‘Chopper’ back to best
Josh van der Flier was back to his ‘chopper’ best versus the Pumas, the flanker credited with 24 tackles, the sort of influence that had him voted as the world’s best in 2022. But he also showed another side to his game as there were 14 carries.

His gain might have been limited to just 21 metres but those sort of repeat little wins were crucial in the heavy traffic where the dynamic Juan Martin Gonzalez was brutally effective with his frequent dominant hits. He was some nuisance!

Back to the Irish defence, though, which really was pivotal to them winning ugly. Ronan Kelleher and Caelan Doris, for instance, both made 18 tackles, and the rip effected by Garry Ringrose at the end of the first half was a superb intervention.

The midfielder’s critics will shine a light on how he slipped off tackling Juan Cruz Mallia at the start of the Argentine’s classy break from halfway to the tryline four minutes after the break.

But Ringrose wasn’t the only player at fault in a concession where brilliance won out. Just look at Mallia’s footwork to breeze past Mack Hansen. Sublime.

The Clarkson optimism
Farrell took a post-New Zealand loss shellacking in the Irish media for not using the series opener as the chance to look to the future in some areas of his team rather than roll out familiar faces with a view to them get back at the visitors 13 months after that classic – but lost – World Cup encounter.

The negative commentary didn’t radicalised the head coach’s thinking as he made just a single XV change for Argentina, Robbie Henshaw producing an impressive first half to very much justify his inclusion at the expense of Bundee Aki.

Farrell had admitted that some players were lucky to keep their place… and he wasn’t giving them a free pass post this second match of the series, claiming the improvement he wanted to see only came “in parts” and he also described Ireland as “lethargic”.

They definitely haven’t collectively clicked but one aspect that couldn’t be faulted, unlike last weekend, was the bench. Whereas multiple errors from replacements painfully wounded the team last weekend, there was more impact this time around.

With so much outside interest focused on the future, the 21-year-old Sam Prendergast demanded attention on his debut with his 62nd-minute introduction. However, we were more taken by the influence wielded by Thomas Clarkson, the 24-year-old debuting as sub tighthead.

His five-minute first-half cameo with Bealham in the sin bin augured well for his lengthier return on 53 minutes and his scrum penalty win 12 minutes later was quite the fillip for a rookie who should now start against Fiji to accelerate his experience.

Durable young Irish props are elusive, but Clarkson has given reason for optimism.

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DP 12 mins ago

So does this victory push Ireland back to the top of the pile?

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Ed the Duck 48 mins ago

Ireland can’t stop the rot and get off the naughty step, at least not without massively impacting their performance levels even further. The way they constantly live on the offside line, more often off than on, combined with the way they cynically seal off at rucks is now beginning, at long last, to get pinged to a greater degree. There’s still a bit to go but at least the refs have made a start recently, any coincidence this is post Sexton…?!!


And while they’re at it, can the refs start dealing with their constant player moving prominently in the eye line of the kicker at every opportunity. It’s just poor sportsmanship!!!

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JWH 18 minutes ago
The 'one difference' between Boks and the back-to-back All Blacks

The teams in the URC are ... meh. Some good, most slightly below average. I have to say that the Irish front row is not really a good benchmark for great scrummagers (Andrew Porter). Still an impressive feat, don't get me wrong, but doesn't have the same meaning it used to.


Calling Elrigh Louw 'world-class' already severely drops the standard of world-class youngsters like Sititi, Roigard, Suaalii, Albornoz, and more that I can't list off the top. Louw has great potential, like a lot of other young players (Prendergast and McDermott), but to say he is world-class is a stretch. Haven't seen Hanekom so I dunno about him.


SFM just hasn't shown me his capabilities yet. He was okay v the ABs, solid 6.5/10, which is great for such a talented young man. If he can adapt a little better and work on his sharpness at test level he could be a quality 10. AF found his feet really well, and I find him most easily identifiable with Nehe Milner-Skudder. What a find for the Bokke. Just needs a better kicking game, but he is proper class. Haven't seen much of Canan Moodie, would like to see more.


20 years of talent? Are you sure? Even I consider Sam Whitelocks career long, and he played for the ABs for 14 years.


On the subject of latent talent, SA and NZ are certainly on par with each other, but the club competitions in New Zealand are just better. The NPC on its own is just such an excellent competitions, which mixes scouting, experience, and competitiveness all into one. SRP is also back on its feet thanks to Schmidt's revival of the Wallabies and RA. So to say that no other country has talent sitting deep in the back pocket, you are sorely mistaken. You haven't even seen Jamie Hannah, Fabian Holland, Kini Naholo, Noah Hotham, Taha Kemara, Rivez Reihana, Naitoa Ah Kuoi, Christian Lio-Willie, or Riley Higgins. And that is just to name a few.


I think SA have somer rougher, emphasis on er, years ahead. Will definitely still be winning games, but I suspect a few frustrating losses are likely imbound, probs in 2026 and 2027. Is there any depth in PSDT's jersey? What about Mbonambi/Marx? Wingers?


Sorry, but those squads played against NZ were certainly not experimental. Almost fully fit Boks after warmups v AUS, bomb squad, regular forwards lineup, half pairing, and outside backs largely the same. 'Experimental' my arse.


Appreciate the bit at the end there about others not understanding the true depth of the NZ talent pool. The ABs make up the top 1% of SRP players, and SRP players make up the top 0.1% of rugby players in NZ. Lots of depth hidden in the NPC and lower club divisions just waiting to surface in 2025. Sure to be an incredible SRP season now that the Crusaders injury crisis is over.

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