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Four talking points about England team that will play the All Blacks

Henry Slade will be the England rugby No13 when they take on the All Blacks on Saturday (Photo by Dan Mullan/The RFU Collection via Getty Images)

England rugby boss Steve Borthwick has taken a leaf from the Warren Gatland Test selection book, bringing forward his team selection from Thursday and laying it all out to the touring New Zealand four days before next Saturday’s Allianz Stadium, Twickenham clash.

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Borthwick wasn’t scheduled to declare his hand until Thursday lunchtime, but he decided to go early and name a team showing four changes from the XV beaten by the All Blacks 16 weeks ago in Auckland. George Furbank and Ben Spencer have been chosen in place of Freddie Steward and the unavailable Alex Mitchell at full-back and scrum-half respectively.

Up front, there are also two alterations with loosehead Ellis Genge and openside Tom Curry included at the expense of replacement Fin Baxter and the excluded Sam Underhill. They will be supported by a bench containing six forwards, rather than the usual five, and just two backs in half-back duo of Harry Randall and George Ford. Here are four RugbyPass England team talking points:

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Mr Indispensable
Just as smooth as the SpaceX catching a rocket on landing, Henry Slade has perfectly timed his selection run following a shoulder operation that initially left him in serious doubt for this four-match Autumn Nations Series which opens at home to New Zealand.

A year ago, Slade was a brutal casualty when Borthwick named his squad for the 2023 Rugby World Cup. However, the 31-year has been the epitome of the perfect professional in rebounding from that crushing setback, returning to start all five Guinness Six Nations matches and then all three summer tour games.

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Having opted for an off-season operation, it was August 2 when Rob Baxter, Slade’s director of rugby at Exeter, outlined an uncertain recovery timeframe. “It’s a relatively complex operation which, at this stage, makes it a little difficult to talk about his return to play time. It is likely to be in the three-to-four-month range so unfortunately, he is going to miss a good chunk of the start of the season with us,” he explained.

That suggested it was touch and go for Slade to feature with England in November but so fast twitch has been his rehab, he will now line up alongside Ollie Lawrence for the seventh time this year having partnered him on three occasions in the Six Nations and in all three summer tour matches, including the two losses versus New Zealand.

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The perfectly-timed comeback is a victory for Slade’s reputation as an “incredibly good rehabber” as he will wear the England No13 shirt having featured just once for Exeter this season, playing 54 minutes of last Sunday’s Gallagher Premiership home loss to Harlequins.

From dispensable to so very important… it’s been quite the 12 months for the midfielder who was last Friday named as one of 17 players awarded enhanced elite player squad member contracts.

Breaking through at the age of 32!
A consequence of the return of Slade to the England mix was that Alex Lozowski will have to wait a little while longer to end his six-year spell without a Test cap. Last chosen in November 2018, his inclusion in recent Borthwick training squads came after some excellent form for Saracens. But the giddy story of him potentially stepping in from the wilderness to grapple the All Blacks has now proven a step too far.

Borthwick’s team announcement, though, wasn’t bereft of an inspiring reward-for-patience story as scrum-half Ben Spencer has been pencilled in for his first-ever Test-level start… at the age of 32.

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It’s been quite the fight for recognition by the Bath skipper, who had one cap to his name when called up from outside the squad to bench behind Ben Youngs in the 2019 Rugby World Cup final in place of the injured Willi Heinz.

That sudden elevation wasn’t followed by continuous involvement as Eddie Jones ignored him for the rest of his tenure and it took an injury to Mitchell for Borthwick to finally give Spencer his follow-up appearance when chosen away to Scotland last February.

Edinburgh was a savage place for a recall after four-plus years, as England were beaten out the gate that day, but Borthwick isn’t Jones and having picked Spencer as the back-up scrum-half to Mitchell in the two July tour losses to New Zealand, he has now trusted him with the No9 shirt in the injured Mitchell’s absence. It’s quite a brilliant story and a lesson for all players frustrated by selection to never lose belief.

‘Twins’ no more
There was once a time when Tom Curry and Underhill were joined at the hip in the England selection, bashing their way through World Cup 2019 as the so-called ‘Kamikaze twins’. They laid ruin to the All Blacks on semi-final night that year, but both players have had their rotten luck with injuries in the years since then.

Just once have they been reunited as starters on Borthwick’s watch, last October’s bronze medal final win over Argentina in Paris. That was the tournament in which Curry had red card, injury and Bongi Mbonambi issues to deal with while Underhill was only a mid-competition call-up for the injured Jack Willis.

Underhill reminded us that night of his Test-level prowess, producing a stirring man-of-the-match performance at openside, and he went on to start at No7 in all eight matches played by England in 2024 but he now gives up that role to Curry for Saturday’s latest renewal with the All Blacks.

The Bath back-rower was available for selection, but Curry, a sub through the summer tour following his career-saving hip surgery last winter, has now got back the jersey. Whereas Underhill was overlooked when Borthwick last Friday confirmed his 17 enhanced elite player squad contracts, Curry was on that list and his inclusion for next Saturday now reflects that EPS pecking order.

Not that having an enhanced deal guarantees selection. It doesn’t. Of the 17 enhanced EPS picks, just 12 are starters versus the All Blacks. Theo Dan and Ford have been listed for bench duty, while Ollie Chessum, Mitchell and Fin Smith are absent. Chessum and Mitchell are injured but Smith is surplus to requirement despite his enhanced EPS deal.

Borthwick’s bomb squad
We have heard for years about the Springboks’ bomb squad, about how their liking for having six forwards (and, on occasion, seven) on the replacements bench is a tactic capable of swinging the result of numerous big matches.

Now, meet the Borthwick bomb squad. The England head coach had been a firm disciple of the five/three bench split but, coming off the back of a 0-2 series loss in New Zealand, he has decided to go into this weekend’s rematch with an extra forward in reserve.

The decision will leave sub half-backs Randall and Ford with plenty positions to cover if injuries hit the starting backline, but going with six forwards has laid the gauntlet down to New Zealand that England are not in the mood to settle for an honourable defeat on this occasion.

There is nothing new in having three front row swaps in loosehead Baxter, hooker Dan and tighthead Dan Cole, but the naming of Nick Isiekwe, Ben Curry and Alex Dombrandt as second/back row cover is ambitious, a clear signal of the additional physicality Borthwick wants to bring to proceedings at Allianz Stadium.

The head coach will hope his sacrificing of a reserve back to have an extra option in the forwards will pay off richly, but it’s a gamble. England have been widely complimented for their improved attack this year, but the six/two split is a kitchen sink-type tactic without scope for failure in just England’s third home match in 16 outings. Sold out Twickenham expects… and the expectation is on this bomb squad to deliver.

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ch 59 days ago

Fin Smith is surplus to requirements despite having an enhanced EPS contract.

Well someone had to be as 3 fly halves have those contracts . If F Smith was on the bench they would be writing the same thing about Ford.

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RedWarrior 61 days ago

Very very excited about this game. I think England are going to bring massive intensity to it and control how it opens up later by using a more dynamic 'Bomb Squad'.

Smith will have been practising those shots at sticks a lot. I am expecting a great match and an English victory. They will need one of their set/strike plays to produce 7, but if they manage that they are on their way.

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Poorfour 61 days ago

The forwards replacements (Cole apart) have clearly been chosen in anticipation of a more open game in the last 20 minutes or so - collectively they trade a bit of power for pace and potentially offer some different running lines. There's clearly a plan to do something a bit different rather than just sub like for like, though we will have to wait for Saturday to see what it is and whether it works.


England's issues on the summer tour were with closing out the games, so they clerly do need to do something different in the last 20.

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Icefarrow 61 days ago

What good is an extra forward if you still lack the depth in the front row? The ABs dominated England in the scrum, and I see nothing that suggests it'll be any different this time round.

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Tom 61 days ago

Isiekwe, Dombrandt and Burry have all looked poor at international level, I'm not convinced cutting an outside back to get all 3 of them in has much merit. If we had 3 excellent forwards in the mix for bench spots it might be different. If one of our wingers gets injured we're gonna end up with an odd reshuffle... Is Furbank going to play on the wing with Smith at fullback?

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fl 61 days ago

Hope to god that Ford in the 23 is a prelude to him being in the 10 shirt next week.


He's our best 10 by a mile, but not a great bench option. If we need someone to close out the last few minutes of a test match at 10, Furbank and Slade would both be more than adequate. If Feyi-Waboso, Freeman, or Lawrence go off injured will the plan be to have Ford, Smith, Slade, and Furbank all playing together, with Furbank on the wing? That's a backline that'll seriously be lacking in heft.

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Tom 61 days ago

I don't really disagree about Ford but we've had a lot of years of Ford and Farrell and it's not taken us to the top so I'm happy they're trying someone new and Marcus is very talented. I hope if they persevere with him he will blossom. It took Finn Russell a long time to go from a raw talent tona great.


Presume they're planning on Furbank as wing cover which I agree is a bad idea. The 3 back 5 forwards they've picked are all underwhelming as internationals, did they think between the 3 they'd add up to 2 decent players?

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Tom 61 days ago

Looks decent but where the hell is Underhill? Very weird. If he's fit he should be in the 7 shirt. We've got a tall, athletic 6, what's the issue? How is Ben Curry preferred? Surreal.


Randall not trusted to start is understandable although I'd have liked to see it. He's been phenomenal this season and his kicking is much improved.

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Bob Salad II 61 days ago

+1 for Randall. Sure he'll get 20-mins though.

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NH 61 days ago

England should have won both Tests in the summer and blew it. First up, ABs are battle hardened after RC and Japan warm-up. Not a great Kiwi side but can only see an away win. England's best bet is to challenge the haka and get stuck-in in the first 10. Any weakness and it's curtains.

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Bob Salad II 61 days ago

The 6-2 split does seem risky - and you could argue that's one of the reasons England triumphed over Ireland in the 6Ns after they were forced into a desperate reshuffle following Nash going off.


That said, be interesting to see Earl slot in at 12 should Slade not be able to finish the game.

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Tom 61 days ago

I'm totally not convinced about Earl at 12 but would be fun to see how he goes.

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AllyOz 19 hours ago
Does the next Wallabies coach have to be an Australian?

I will preface this comment by saying that I hope Joe Schmidt continues for as long as he can as I think he has done a tremendous job to date. He has, in some ways, made the job a little harder for himself by initially relying on domestic based players and never really going over the top with OS based players even when he relaxed his policy a little more. I really enjoy how the team are playing at the moment.


I think Les Kiss, because (1) he has a bit more international experience, (2) has previously coached with Schmidt and in the same setup as Schmidt, might provide the smoothest transition, though I am not sure that this necessarily needs to be the case.


I would say one thing though about OS versus local coaches. I have a preference for local coaches but not for the reason that people might suppose (certainly not for the reason OJohn will have opined - I haven't read all the way down but I think I can guess it).


Australia has produced coaches of international standing who have won World Cups and major trophies. Bob Dwyer, Rod Macqueen, Alan Jones, Michael Cheika and Eddie Jones. I would add John Connolly - though he never got the international success he was highly successful with Queensland against quality NZ opposition and I think you could argue, never really got the run at international level that others did (OJohn might agree with that bit). Some of those are controversial but they all achieved high level results. You can add to that a number of assistants who worked OS at a high level.


But what the lack of a clear Australian coach suggests to me is that we are no longer producing coaches of international quality through our systems. We have had some overseas based coaches in our system like Thorn and Wessels and Cron (though I would suggest Thorn was a unique case who played for Australia in one code and NZ in the other and saw himself as a both a NZer and a Queenslander having arrived here at around age 12). Cron was developed in the Australian system anyway, so I don't have a problem with where he was born.


But my point is that we used to have systems in Australia that produced world class coaches. The systems developed by Dick Marks, which adopted and adapted some of the best coaching training approaches at the time from around the world (Wales particularly) but focussed on training Australian coaches with the best available methods, in my mind (as someone who grew up and began coaching late in that era) was a key part of what produced the highly skilled players that we produced at the time and also that produced those world class coaches. I think it was slipping already by the time I did my Level II certificate in 2002 and I think Eddie Jones influence and the priorities of the executive, particularly John O'Neill, might have been the beginning of the end. But if we have good coaching development programmes at school and junior level that will feed through to representative level then we will have


I think this is the missing ingredient that both ourselves and, ironically, Wales (who gave us the bones of our coaching system that became world leading), is a poor coaching development system. Fix that and you start getting players developing basic skills better and earlier in their careers and this feeds through all the way through the system and it also means that, when coaching positions at all levels come up, there are people of quality to fill them, who feed through the system all the way to the top. We could be exporting more coaches to Japan and England and France and the UK and the USA, as we have done a bit in the past.


A lack of a third tier between SR and Club rugby might block this a little - but I am not sure that this alone is the reason - it does give people some opportunity though to be noticed and play a key role in developing that next generation of players coming through. And we have never been able to make the cost sustainable.


I don't think it matters that we have an OS coach as our head coach at the moment but I think it does tell us something about overall rugby ecosystem that, when a coaching appointment comes up, we don't have 3 or 4 high quality options ready to take over. The failure of our coaching development pathway is a key missing ingredient for me and one of the reasons our systems are failing.

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