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Four talking points as 'hold my beer' Ireland beaten by All Blacks

By Liam Heagney at Aviva Stadium, Dublin
Ireland players (from left) Cian Healy, Rob Herring, James Ryan, Ciaran Frawley and Joe McCarthy were left dejected by the Friday night defeat (Photo by Brendan Moran/Sportsfile via Getty Images)

Let’s not beat about the bush, Friday at Aviva Stadium ended up as flat as the Kamala Harris election night party earlier in the week in the United States. The consensus was that Ireland would giddily deliver a performance reflective of their World Rugby number one ranking and stick it to Scott Robertson’s ‘unconvincing’ All Blacks.

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Instead, the Irish were like a mouldy pint of Guinness where after the first couple of gulps you know damn well you are in trouble, and as hard as you fight on through it, you ultimately just can’t bring yourself to drain the glass and finish it.

That was Ireland’s performance in a whole 568 millilitres – an awkward taster, a battle through to beyond halfway and then a not-so-sweet surrender. From 3-9 down to leading 13-9 and then a sobering 13-23 denouement where the margin of defeat was kind. It could have been way worse. Here are the RugbyPass talking points:

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Bench bounced
England were pilloried for the lack of impact their bench made against New Zealand, blowing their 22-14, 60th minute advantage. If the English – who still had two kicks to win it in the closing stages – were bad finishers, Ireland went ‘hold my beer’ as their 13-12 hour-mark lead became a 10-point defeat that had quite a number of their fans heading for the exits with a couple of minutes left to play.

“Write that down, they were s**t” was one of the sharp observations tossed the way of the media box as they made good their early escape down the steps. If you pardoned the swearing, they had a point. Ireland sucked when it most mattered and were a deflating second best.

Defence

150
Tackles Made
101
30
Tackles Missed
15
83%
Tackle Completion %
87%

It was at the interval when RugbyPass jotted down some energy-sapping stats suggesting this was very much an evening for the Irish bench to contribute big.

By half-time, following a first half where New Zealand had been more dominant, the penalty count was 7-3 against, linebreaks 0-4, defenders beaten 3-14, and offloads 1-4. There were also a multitude of tackles made, James Ryan putting in a dozen with Josh van der Flier just one behind.

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In other words, it had been quite the exhaustive defensive shift and fresh legs and lungs would definitely be needed. Ireland were still a point up when Andy Farrell first rolled his dice, sending on four replacements in one fell swoop on 58 minutes, but none of this quartet enjoyed a cameo to remember for the right reasons.

The unfortunate Tom O’Toole was gone within 90 seconds, clattered by Wallace Sititi and left worryingly dazed, and the return of starter Finlay Bealham in the sub’s place was immediately followed by New Zealand pilfering from him the scrum penalty for the lead-taking Damian McKenzie kick.

Iain Henderson then coughed up a knock on and a lazy breakdown penalty in quick succession at the cost of three more points. Next, Ciaran Frawley knocked on either side of his ballooned clearance kick that was the invite for New Zealand to eventually go and strike for Will Jordan’s try quite a few phases later.

To cap it all for the not so fab four, replacement hooker Rob Herring was penalised at the 73rd-minute ruck in the opposition’s 22, that concession essentially ending Irish hopes of hitting back from a two-score deficit and leaving impatient home fans rising to their feet and leaving.

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Ireland’s other four swaps came with the score at 13-23, Peter O’Mahony and Jamie Osbourne given 10 minutes each and Conor Murray managing six minutes along with Cian Healy. This quartet felt like change for change’s sake rather than a genuine plan B capable of handling the emergency.

What a dramatic change it was from 17 weeks earlier when the on-message Irish subs were a sublime part of the comeback 25-24 win in South Africa.

Warm-weather gimmick
If there is a moral to clutch from this 2024 Autumn Nations Series it’s that this gimmick of warm-weather training can’t beat good old-fashioned mucking around in the conditions that you actually have to play our match in.

England’s preparations in Spain did them no favours when it came to producing a result last weekend against the All Blacks, as they lost out 22-24, and it was ditto for Ireland, who had limbered up for their November… in Portugal!

Coach Farrell is generally a no-excuse type of character and he was genuinely gracious in defeat, congratulating New Zealand for their win without a prompt, but before he signed off on his ‘live’ post-mortem, there was reference made to “a lot of errors because of the weather a little bit that came down…”

How ironic. You jet off overseas to sunnier climes prepare for the biggest match of your autumn calendar and then learn heavily to your cost that your team wasn’t fully ready to combat the Irish weather match conditions that New Zealand had been knocking about in since their arrival last Sunday from London. That sounds like a very painful, self-inflicted wound.

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Paying a heavy penalty
At the Rugby World Cup, the quarter-final penalty count when these two countries collided was 10-all but it was very different in Dublin with the Irish penalised 13 times compared to just five New Zealand infringements, six to two in the result-settling second half.

Farrell was pragmatic, admitting that even if a few of the clarifications they will seek to prove they were hard done by, they should have been more precise in their play in the first place.

The consequence of this inaccuracy was to leave McKenzie expertly landing six of his seven penalty kicks at goal, none more important than the 62nd-minute score. “The turning point was the crucial penalty from the scrum and they kicked the goal,” rued the Irish boss.

For sure, that critical set-piece where Bealham was deemed to have led an illegal drive forward was the beginning of the end for Ireland. Their lineout didn’t sing either and the takeaway was that there are four certainties in life – birth, death, taxes and never writing off New Zealand.

The night’s ‘proper’ scoreline
In talking up this monster fixture pre-game, one of the oddities we published was how 13 months ago when the teams last clashed the Irish ‘won’ 14-3 in the 20-minute period in which the All Blacks were down two players to yellow cards in Paris but they were decisively ‘beaten’ 10-25 in the hour when the contest was 15 versus 15.

Friday night was another occasion when the Irish simply couldn’t handle New Zealand when the numbers in personnel were the same. Ireland ‘won’ 10-3 the 10 minutes that Jordie Barrett spent in the sin bin following his foul play ‘hello’ to Garry Ringrose, his soon-to-be teammate at Leinster.

However, the 15 versus 15 part of the match convincingly went the way of the All Blacks on a 20-3 scoreline. That’s quite the jarring margin and a proper reflection of the gap that existed between the teams in terms of performance.

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SL 10 days ago

Ireland need to be careful of following Wales in keeping the old guard involved for too long and not introducing new players sooner rather than later. This Irish team now look old and their legs are going a lot quicker than Farrell hopes. He is loyal to them because he wants to reward the majority of that team with Lions places and for that reason alone, Farrell as head coach of the Lions is now questionable because as with Gatland, loyalty to ageing players has no place in modern day professional sport.

Ireland will decline sharply over the next 18 months and will drift down the rankings, maybe not as low as Wales have gone but they will reach their usual position of around 5th or 6th and can forget doing anything at RWC 2027.

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TT 11 days ago

Ireland rusty & flat,


ABs tuned.


& scoreboard showed.

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MP 11 days ago

The Gods of Rugby lost again. There is hope for the rest of World.

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LW 11 days ago

The ABs did not have a good game, very patchy, still lots to figure out. Best players on the night were the 4 anzacs in the irish team.

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Head high tackle 11 days ago

Cant agree with that. Hansen was hardly seen, Aki didnt do much. Lowe was good at times but G-P was Irelands best for sure. All behind players from the winning team tho.

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GL 11 days ago

Could the ABs have one game that is 15 vs 15 -- that would be so much fun

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JW 1 hour ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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