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Four talking points as Ireland limit another TRC team to one try

By Liam Heagney reporting from Dublin
Record Ireland caps holder Cian Healy packs down with Peter O’Mahony for support (Photo by Ramsey Cardy/Sportsfile via Getty Images)

Andy Farrell wasn’t getting caught up in the general doom and gloom that hung in the air at his final media briefing on Saturday evening as Ireland head coach until deep into 2025 when his sabbatical in charge of the British and Irish Lions has ended.

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He of course acknowledged that there were plenty of issues which would need addressing, namely the amount of sloppy errors in Ireland’s bungled attack play. Publicly turning a blind eye to that repeat inaccuracy would be him not doing his job honestly.

However, having just finished an 11-game calendar year with an eighth victory, the Englishman wasn’t surrendering himself to the prevailing sense of pessimism. “We’ll celebrate the autumn and Cian Healy’s 134th-cap and the IRFU’s 150th-anniversary well tonight and what tomorrow will bring will bring,” he insisted. Proper order.

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Test rugby is a results business and winning – no matter how ugly – is the currency that matters. Just ask England boss Steve Borthwick, whose team came out the wrong side of the ledger in its three big Autumn Nations Series games.

Ireland, in sharp contrast, had a win by a replica 22-19 scoreline over Australia to add to their successful three-point wrestle with Argentina. With a rout of Fiji also banked, three wins from four can’t be considered a negative outcome.

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Turnovers Lost
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Yes, there are numerous fix ups required, and we will address a number of them below, but Ireland’s stubbornness not to roll over following the series-opening deflation against New Zealand was a positive despite the widespread criticism of their level of performance. Here are the RugbyPass talking points following the three-point comeback success over the Wallabies.

This turnover thing
We were busy scouring this website’s match centre on the Saturday night spin away from Aviva Stadium. The colossal figure of 23 turnovers in possession was the largest red flag when reflecting on the tense hold-on win… and it is now a trend in the Irish game, not a one-off.

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With Australia only giving up 16 turnovers, it was the fifth match in succession in which Ireland conceded more than the opposition (17-11 Fiji, 15-14 Argentina, 13-12 New Zealand and 18-12 South Africa).

Do the math and it’s a cumulative total of 86 Irish turnovers to the opposition’s 65. Quite the difference. It is why three of the four Irish wins in these last five games were by uncomfortable one-score margins.

That tension isn’t good for the nerves but better to be on the right side of the scoreboard than snookered as happened in the last-minute last March at Twickenham versus England.

“You take the positives of being in the right parts of the field,” suggested Farrell about where a major chunk of the turnovers happened versus the Wallabies. But what did go wrong?

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“Some of them were simple ball in hand and dropping them… a lot of them have been fancy, just not seeing the pass, just presuming that people are going to be there. So our timing was off a little bit.”

After five weeks together in this autumn block, Ireland should have been far better than that and timing shouldn’t have been the shackling issue that it was. Stern words need to be had after their night on the tiles.

Mean defence
Take a bow, defence coach Simon Easterby. In four games against Rugby Championship opposition, Ireland conceded a miserly three tries.

The Springboks were held try-less in Durban last July while New Zealand, Argentina and now Australia were all limited to just a single try each this past month in Dublin. That’s excellent.

This solidity, though, hasn’t denied teams pilfering points in another way. A dozen of Australia’s 19 came from four penalty kicks, exactly the same as Argentina 15 days earlier.

Factor in how New Zealand had 18 points from six kicks and South Africa 24 points from eight kicks, that is a running total of 66 kicked points from 22 penalties. It is a level of damage that must be considered to be excessive but there is an alternative way of looking at it.

So solid is the Irish defence when it comes to defending the try line, the opposition could be said to be cutting their losses and taking points from the tee rather than look to unleash a try-seeking move from kicking penalties to touch or going for a scrum. That surely is a fine compliment to the meanness of the Irish rearguard.

Low Lowe and zippyless JGP
It was a good job that World Rugby held its fancy annual awards function last Sunday night in Monaco and not waited until the Autumn Nations Series was completely finished with this additional 150th-anniversary Ireland-Australia match.

If the ball was delayed a week so that all the fixtures were over, the names of James Lowe and Jamison Gibson-Park in the 2024 dream team XV would look odd given how poor they fared versus the Wallabies.

The flappy-handed Lowe headed up the individual Irish turnover count while the zippy Gibson-Park pass was absent as was his eye for cutting a sharp running line. With the scrum-half, you also have to wonder if having a rookie in Sam Prendergast outside him negatively impacted his level of play.

The pair would have had just 12 minutes together on the pitch before as a combination with Ireland, the latter part of the Argentina match, and while Prendergast had some contributions he could be pleased with against Australia, they weren’t a cohesive nine-10 partnership compared to the 14 momentum-shifting minutes Craig Casey and Jack Crowley spent together.

The latter are, of course, well used to each other from Munster but the same can’t be said of Prendergast and Gibson-Park at Leinster. With just nine weeks to go to the Guinness Six Nations clash with England, how many minutes they now get together at provincial level will be important. So far, they have had just the one appearance this season, the opening round URC win at Edinburgh.

Farewell Farrell
Saturday was Ireland’s 43rd win in 54 matches with Farrell at the helm since succeeding Joe Schmidt after Rugby World Cup 2019. That’s a whopping 79.6 per cent success rate which will heap a pile of expectation on interim head coach Easterby in the upcoming Six Nations.

Farrell humorously sounded annoyed with suggestion that he was ‘leaving’. “What do you mean I’m leaving? I live in Sandymount, I’m 10 minutes away, I’m not going anywhere,” he chuckled.

However, while he won’t be going anywhere in a domestic sense, IRFU HQ at No10 Lansdowne Road won’t be his office now that he will be working full-time with the British and Irish Lions ahead of their tour to Australia.

Farrell not being in the thick of it in Dublin with Ireland will be intriguing. Wales won the Six Nations title in 2013 with Rob Howley at the temporary helm when Warren Gatland was on a Lions sabbatical, but this became a fifth-place outcome four years later in 2017 when a similar handover happened.

Ireland’s well-being in Farrell’s absence will hinge on solutions being found to finesse their attack. Multi-faceted moves have shredded teams for the guts of two years but the sign-off feeling from this Autumn Nations Series is that the Irish have finally been worked out and their attacking unpredictability is over. In the end, it was the old reliable, the maul, that was the emergency go-to to see off Australia.

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TL 37 days ago

Happy to deliberately infringe to slow play is another way of framing the low try high penalty count. D not good enough to allow a lot of line breaks.

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"Do you think Ntamack now is a better player than he was at 21?"


That's hard to say, but he certainly hasn't got much better. At 20 he was the top scorer in the six nations, and hasn't been since. At 20 he scored 3 tries in the six nations, and hasn't scored that many since. At 20 he was nominated for 6 nations player of the tournament, and hasn't been since. At 22 he was selected at 10 in the offical 6 nations team of the tournament, and hasn't been since. About a year or two ago a load of people started saying he was the best 10 in the world, which they hadn't previously, but my perception was that this was less because he had gotten better, and more that in 2020 his world class performances could be written off as flukes whereas by 2023 they were clearly representative of his genuine talent.


"Isn't that what your asking for from Marcus?"


Is what what I'm asking for from Marcus?


This thread began with me trying to explain that there is no reason to think that Marcus Smith will improve going forwards. Do you agree or disagree with that point?


"that the team wants/needs an older version of Dan Carter? Or are you just basing this of win ratio."


What? I literally argued that Dan Carter was at least as good when he was young as he was when he was older. And no, I'm not basing this off win ratio; I just think that England's low win ratio is partly a result of Marcus Smith being much worse than people realise.


"Of course some don't continue to develop past the age of 20. You're not really making any sort of argument unless you have new data. 26/27 is undoubtedly the peak of most positions/peole."


That is literally the argument I am making though. The fact that you agree with me doesn't invalidate my point. People in this thread were arguing that Marcus Smith would continue to improve going forwards; I argued that he might not, and that even if he does he is already not far from his peak. He will literally be 26 next month, so if you are right that 26/27 is undoubtedly the peak of most "peole", he's only got 5 more weeks of development in him!


"Hahaha, define "good"? I'd suggest to you theyre a "good" side now"


I think finishing 3rd at the world cup is good. I think beating Ireland is good. I think losing 5 consecutive matches isn't good. I define good in terms of winning games, and I think that the world rankings are a pretty good metric for quantifying whether consequential games have been won in a team's recent history. How are you defining "good"?


"Surely Ford or Farrell must have had a period of great success somewhere? What about 2015?"


I honestly don't know what you're talking about, or how it bears any relation to this conversation. Farrell probably peaked sometime around 2016 or 2017, Ford probably peaked a couple of years later, but Ford is still a better player now than Marcus Smith is.


"But my point was more the game in England. Having only recently adapted a more open game, the pioneers of that are going to find others take a while to catch up (your point about the rest of the team)."


England adapted pretty quickly to an open game in the six nations last year, and have got worse since then. If England play in the attacking style of play that is common in the premiership the players will pick it up quickly, as they are well used to it.


"So you want the rest of the team trying to halt this momentum and go back to a forward based game ala the success of the last two WCs?"


Seriously, what are you talking about? I don't want "the rest of the team trying to half this momentum", I want the rest of the team to be allowed to play the attacking rugby that comes naturally to them. You seem to have decided that because Marcus Smith has pioneered a style of rugby that works for a mid-table premiership side, the entire England national team should be forced to play it, even if it takes them years to learn it, and lose almost all their matches in the process?

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