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Frank Bunce: All Blacks midfield on song but time for change in outside backs

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Former centre Frank Bunce has thrown in his two cents on the All Blacks backline debate, naming his preferred midfield combination and outside backs for the 2023 Rugby World Cup. Bunce’s area of expertise – the midfield where he won 55 caps – has been chopped and changed throughout Ian Foster’s tenure as head coach.

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Some of the changes have been purely selection based with Jordie Barrett and David Havili tussling for the No12 jersey, while the likes of Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and Braydon Ennor look to get a foot in the door.

Other changes have been forced by injury. Quinn Tupaea is out for nine months, and Havili has missed a number of games due to Covid and concussion protocols. All this while Anton Lienart-Brown re-entered the fray and Jack Goodhue was cruelly ruled out before he could even get a sniff of the test arena again.

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“I’d go Jordie and Rieko,” Bunce told SENZ’s The Run Home when asked what All Blacks midfield partnership he would prefer. “He [Barrett] has pretty much said all along he wants to be a twelve and he has come in and proven it. He’s got everything, he does add a little bit of X-factor. He has got the physicality, he’s got all the skills: he can kick, he can pass, he can tackle.

“For my mind, he has been the best No12 that we have had for a little while and Rieko… I just still don’t think there is anyone as an outside centre that is better than him. I don’t know who we might change him with (so) for me those two would be my top midfielders.”

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Prior to Barrett’s midfield Test debut against the Wallabies, Havili had been the preferred option at second five and Joe Schmidt’s attacking game was beginning to take shape, utilising Havili’s kicking game – a skillset he developed during his time at full-back.

While Havili’s accuracy on the boot was at the time considered a key point of difference amongst his fellow No12s, Barrett’s full-back skillset also translated well to Schmidt’s vision for the midfield. With it came a much larger frame capable of a crash-and-bash game that offered yet another string to Schmidt’s bow.

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As for the outside backs, Bunce was of the impression it was time for a changing of the guard at full-back. “Beaudy (Beauden Barrett) is not playing the game that we know he can at the moment,” Bunce continued. “To be honest, I would prefer Will Jordan to play full-back.

“He is just more in the game (there); he knows when to inject himself, he has got good pace… he is kind of playing like Beaudy was a couple of years back. So I think he is actually a better option at 15 than Beauden at the moment.

“Wings… Mark Telea turned up and he has played some great games as well. So, to be honest, I’d pick Mark Telea after the last two games, and then we have got any number of other wings.”

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Greg 723 days ago

Agree with Frank. It amazes me to see the Rieko detractors persist, no matter how many breaks he makes, how many tries he scores, how many tries his defence saves. It'd be interesting to ask other international centres, like Am for instance, whom he left for dead, who they'd rather mark - a competent carthorse like ALB, or the size, speed and abrasiveness of Reiko. He's our X factor, and his developing combo with Jordie is so exciting, will be in its prime at the RWC, injury and selection sanity allowing. And yes, Jordan has to be fullback - Professor Smithy called him the best broken field runner since Cullen. And he can kick, take the high ball and tackle. So easy! Talea, Jordan, Clarke (still inexperienced but what a threat), and Beaudy the perfect cover on the bench.

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Charlie 723 days ago

Poor Beaudy is suffering the demise of all great players under foster - a slow and painful death.. prior to foster as Head Coach he was the Worlds Best, now doesn't even make the list ..

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Shayne 724 days ago

Reiko can't read center, he's had plenty of time he needs to be on wing Havili or even barrett would do better job creating opportunities.

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Shayne 724 days ago

Reiko

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Ian 724 days ago

For once I agree with the talking head. The midfield has looked better since Jordie Barrett has switched to 12. Will Jordan should be at 15. The question then is which wings are in form 11 months time.
Beauden isn't playing as well as he has in the past and perhaps should be used as the utility off the bench, although Havilli is an alternative for that role.

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Euan 724 days ago

Why doesn't he say the obvious, that Caleb Clarke on the left wing is the ABs main defense liability. He simply hasn't a clue, and is awol when the attacks come, as England discovered. Yet, selectors are treating him as some holy icon.

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Ruby 724 days ago

We need at least one winger who can catch and kick, it means that the Fullback isn't essentially covering the backfield by themself, having a Fullback option on the Wing is a huge advantage, it's why the ABs were so effective with Ben Smith, Cory Jane, Nehe Milner-Skudder etc on the wing.

The correct Outside Back set up (with current All Blacks) is Mark Telea on the left, Will Jordan on the right and Beauden at Fullback, all 3 are quality under the high ball which will likely be crucial at the World Cup, Sevu can't catch and Clarke refuses to get his inner-ear checked out to see why his balance is so bad, I don't think I've seen a game where he doesn't randomly fall over, it's like someone removed the studs from his boots.

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JW 1 hour ago
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Yeah nar I pretty much agree with that sentiment, wasn't just about the lineout though.


Yeah, I think it's the future of SR, even TRC. Graham above just now posting about how good a night it was with a dbl header of ENGvSA and NZvFrance, and now I don't want to kick SA or Argentina out of TRC but it would be great if in this next of the woods 2 more top teams could come in to create more of these sort of nights (for rugby's appeal). Often Arg and SA and both travel here and you get those games but more often doesn't work out right.


Obviously a long way off but USA and Japan are the obvious two. First thing we need to do is get Eddie Jones kicked out of Japan so they can start improving again and then get a couple of US teams in SRP (even if one its just a US based and augmented Jaguares).


It will start off the whole conferences are crap debate again (which I will continue to argue vehemently against), but imagine a 6 team Pacific conference, Tokyo Sunwolves (drafted from Tokyo JRLO teams), Tokyo All Stars (made up of best remaining foreign players and overseas drafts), ALL Nihon (best of local non Tokyo based talent, inc China/Korea etc, with mainland Japan), a could of West Coast american franchises and perhaps a second self PI driven Hawai'i based team, or Jagaures. So I see a short NFL like 3 or 4 month comp as fitting best, maybe not even a full round, NZvAUSvPAC, all games taking place within a 6hr window. Model for NZ will definitely still require a competitive and funded NPC!


On the Crusaders, I liked last years ending with Grace on the bench (ovbiously form dependent but thats how it ended) and Lio-Willie at 8. I could have Blackadder trying to be a 7 but think balance will be used with him at 6 and Kellow as 7. Scott Barrett is an international 6 sized player. It is just NZ style/model that pushes him into the tight, I reckon he'd be a great loose player, and saders have Strange and Cahill as bigger players (plus that change could draw someone like Darry back). Same with Haig now, hes not grown yet but Barrett hight and been playing 6, now that the Highlanders have only chosen two locks he'll be playing lock, and that is going to change his growth trajectory massively, rather than seeing him grow like an International 6.

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Tom 1 hour ago
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Interesting post. I realise that try was down to Marcus Smith not Slade, this is why I mentioned that England's attack is completely reliant on Smith working miracles. Just wanted to highlight that Slade's little touch was classy and most English players would have cocked it up. Earl has gas, he's very athletic but Underhill is nailed on at 7 in my eyes though. They both need to be on the pitch so we need a tall 6 or 8 to complement them which we have in CCS and potentially Ollie Chessum. We also have young Henry Pollock who may be the 7 by the world cup.


The whole attack needs an overhaul but Richard Wigglesworth our attack coach was a very limited scrum half who excelled at box kicking and had no running game. Spent most of his career with Saracens who mauled, defended and set pieced their way to victory.... Which might have been ok if Felix Jones hadn't quit and been replaced by a guy who coaches Oyonnax who have one of the worst defences in the French 2nd division. I'm not too emotionally invested in England right now because this coaching setup isn't capable of winning anything.


England had no attack when they were winning under Eddie either. They battered teams with huge dominant tackles and won from pressure. The last time England had any creativity in attack was the Stuart Lancaster/Mike Catt era. They played some fantastic attacking rugby but results were mediocre, lots of 2nd place finishes in the 6N although it felt like we were building something special until we got brutally dumped out of our home world cup in the pool stage.

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JW 2 hours ago
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As has been the way all year, and for all England's play I can remember. I missed a lot of the better years under Eddie though.


Lets have a look at the LQB for the last few games... 41% under 3 sec compared to 56% last week, 47% in the game you felt England best in against NZ, and 56 against Ireland.


That was my impression as well. Dunno if that is a lack of good counterattack ball from the D, forward dominance (Post Contact Meters stats reversed yesterday compared to that fast Ireland game), or some Borthwick scheme, but I think that has been highlighted as Englands best point of difference this year with their attack, more particularly how they target using it in certain areas. So depending on how you look at it, not necessarily the individual players.


You seem to be falling into the same trap as NZs supporters when it comes to Damien McKenzie. That play you highlight Slade in wasn't one of those LQB situations from memory, that was all on the brilliance of Smith. Sure, Slade did his job in that situation, but Smith far exceeded his (though I understand it was a move Sleightholme was calling for). But yeah, it's not always going to be on a platter from your 10 and NZ have been missing that Slade line, in your example, more often than not too. When you go back to Furbank and Feyi-Waboso returns you'll have that threat again. Just need to generate that ball, wait for some of these next Gen forwards to come through etc, the props and injured 6 coming back to the bench. I don't think you can put Earl back to 7, unless he spends the next two years speeding up (which might be good for him because he's getting beat by speed like he's not used to not having his own speed to react anymore).

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