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Freddie Burns names the Leicester No9 he wants England to start

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Freddie Burns has put his head on the chopping block ahead of Thursday’s latest England team announcement and named the Leicester player he wants to start as Test scrum-half this weekend. Tigers teammates, the seasoned Ben Youngs and the rookie Jack van Poortvliet, are battling each other for selection to be the English No9 against the All Blacks this Saturday at Twickenham.

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They are Eddie Jones’ only two scrum-half options after the England coach cut his squad from 36 to 25 on Tuesday evening, further firing the debate over who should get the nod to start versus New Zealand.

Youngs, who started the Autumn Nations Series opener against Argentina, is a Test centurion who has seen and done it all while van Poortvliet, last Saturday’s starting No9 against Japan, is the coming man and many people’s favourite to make the England XV this weekend.

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Burns, though, doesn’t agree, explaining on this week’s RugbyPass Offload show that Youngs would be the better option to start for England on this occasion and that the energy which van Poortvliet brings would be best utilised in the closing 20 minutes against a tiring Kiwi defence.

“I’m going to pick Ben Youngs every day,” said Burns with an air of confidence when asked to discuss the merits of his Leicester teammates who are challenging each other for the same club and country position with the Tigers and England. “If someone says there is a World Cup final tomorrow, I’m picking Ben Youngs.

“Not because he is a good mate, but as a tactical thinker, as a leader, and that is one thing that wouldn’t surprise me this week with Eddie Jones that if they did go back to starting Ben Youngs at nine just because he can do what he does and then you can bring that speed and gung-ho of JVP when the game is broken up.

“It’s like I was saying earlier about Marcus Smith, if on 60 minutes you roll on JVP and Marcus Smith, Jesus, you start talking about tired defenders and stuff like that. I know it is never as simple as that but f*** me, I’d be scared as a defender seeing those two come off the bench and know that the game and the tempo is going to go up.”

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Asked to explain how they differ and what their individual strengths are, Burns added: “First and foremost, Ben Youngs is the best scrum-half I have ever played with. Like, he is an incredible player. He gets unnecessary flak from people outside of those England circles. There is a reason why he is Eddie’s go-to, there is a reason why he has a 100-odd caps for England.

I know Jack van Poortvliet started at the weekend but in the game before, in the Argentina game, never underestimate the work that Ben Youngs does for 60 minutes that allows JVP to come for 20 minutes.

“I go back to the Prem final (last June for Leicester), we started Richard Wigglesworth and brought on Ben Youngs. There is a real string to England’s bow there having two such great nines. JVP is a bit greener behind the ears, he is a bit more gung-ho in terms of chucking him in there and he will just go, go, go.

“Ben Youngs is more of a thinker, more tactical and probably a bit more streetwise just from experience. But either way, whoever they start and put on the bench, you will see an injection of pace when either one of them comes on because of the work the other one does before.

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“They are both rapid, but JVP is a freak, he will do a 50kg chin-up for like two or three. Honestly, he is strong.”

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Why is Joe Schmidt the best option for Australia? (LONG READ)


An essay for @OJohn with love from South Africa.


OJohn keeps banging on about kiwis and Saffers and everyone else seeking to undermine and bring down Australian rugby… Blah, Blah, Blah. It’s boring and not worth responding too 99 days out of 100.


He misses the point completely that Australians either are or are not the masters of their own destiny. So to blame anyone else but themselves for what the state of Australian rugby is in - is hypocritical.


But recently, Australia has shown signs of life. Personally, I always believed they would be back at some point. At the beginning of this year I predicted that the wallabies would bounce back this year. I predicted that they would overtake England in the world rankings. I am predicting that they could finish second in the RC, could win the Lions series and could make it to a RWC final at home.


I tend to get ahead of myself when I’m excited... Ask my wife. But forgive me for getting excited about the Wallabies looking good! Is it so bad?


Like OJohn, I believe that Australia’s lands abound with natures gifts, including athletic specimens across any sporting code the Aussies compete in. It’s one of the reasons most of us don’t like Aussies. They win sh1t. Regularly. And look smug when they do...


But back to OJohn. And his banging on about the need for Australia to have an Australian coach. Here are a few highlights of his argument:


Several times I've given a list of half a dozen Australian coaches who would be more Australian than Schmidt and just as successful.

Tell me which Australian coaches would be acceptable to coach the All Blacks ......?

Because South Africans and Kiwis and Welshmen and Scotsman are all s.... scared that if an immensely talented and athletic team like Australia is ever able to harness nationalistic Australian passion with an Australian coach, you'll all be s.c.r.e.w.e.d.


And then finally – the list of 6:


Ewen McKenzie, Less Kiss, Stephen Larkham, Jim McKay, David Nucifora, Scott Wisenthal, Ben Mowen, Rod Kafer, Mick Byrne, John Manetti, Jason Gilmore, Dan McKellar.

Plus, a special request:


Keep in mind Rod MacQueen never won a Super Rugby title before he was appointed Wallaby coach but he ended up the greatest rugby coach the world has ever seen. Better than Erasmus even. Who is probably the next best.

Right. I don’t care about the tinfoil hat theories. I want to assess OJohn’s list and determine whether any of them fit the mold of a Rod Macqueen.

 

Like Rod Macqueen the following world cup winning coaches never won a Super Rugby Title:


·       David Kirk, 1987 (17 appearances for New Zealand)

·       Kitch Kristie, 1995

·       Rod Macqueen, 1999

·       Clive Woodward, 2003 (21 Appearance for England)

·       Jake White, 2007 (School Teacher)

·       Graham Henry, 2011 (School Teacher)

·       Steve Hansen, 2015 (Policeman)

·       Rassie Erasmus, 2019 (36 Appearances for South Africa)

·       Jacques Nienaber, 2023 (Physiotherapist).


I couldn't find out what Rod or Kitch did other than coach.


The only coach who has won a Super title and a World Cup?

·       Bob Dwyer, 1991 (A Tahs man wouldn’t you know!)


In fact coaches that have won super rugby titles have not won world cups. Robbie Deans. Heyneke Meyer to name just two.


I know I’m being childish, but I needed to bring this list in somehow because it’s quite obvious that whatever these coaches did before they became international level coaches is largely immaterial. Or is it?


Interestingly Ewan McKenzie (A Tah Man!) has won a Super title. And despite being a Tah Man made it into OJohn’s list. That’s two strikes for Ewan Mckenzie based on OJohn’s criteria so far. Not to mention his 50% win rate as head coach of the Wallabies between 2013 and 2014 (and the laundry list of off the field fcuk ups that swirled around the team at the time).


So Ewan is out.


I find it interesting that, as we speak, eight out of the ten top ranked men’s teams are coached by former international players:

1.      South Africa, Rassie Erasmus (36 appearances for South Africa)

2.      Ireland, Andy Farrell (8 appearances for England)

3.      New Zealand, Scott Robertson (23 appearances for New Zealan)

4.      France, Fabien Galthie (64 appearances for France)

5.      Argentina, Felipe Contemponi (87 appearances for Argentina)

6.      Scotland, Gregor Townsend (82 appearances for Scotland)

7.      England, Steve Borthwick (57 appearances for England)

8.      Australia, Joe Schmidt (School Teacher)

9.      Fiji, Michael Byrne (Aussie Rules Player)

10.  Italy, Gonzalo Quesada (38 appearances for Argentina).


It would appear as though we have entered an era where successful international coaches, largely, have played rugby at international level in the professional era. Or are ex school teachers. Much like Jake White and Graham Henry! Or a policeman.

 

Back to OJohn’s List. That leaves us with:


·       Less Kiss, (I like the look of)

·       Stephen Larkham, (I like the look of)

·       Jim McKay, (Very little to write home about)

·       David Nucifora, (Too old)

·       Scott Wisenthal, (I literally can’t find anything on him on the Google).

·       Ben Mowen, (Too young, no coaching experience)

·       Rod Kafer, (No coaching experience)

·       Mick Byrne, (He’s coaching the Fijians, Aussie rules!)

·       John Manetti, (Can’t find him on the google)

·       Jason Gilmore, (Seems to be working through the ranks, coaching Wallabies A)

·       Dan McKellar, (Not much to write home about, but could be an option).


Applying some logic, I would say the following are viable options based on age, experience in coaching AND the fact that they have played rugby for Australia in the professional era:

·       Less Kiss, (I like the look of)

·       Stephen Larkham, (I like the look of)

·       Jason Gilmore, (Seems to be working through the ranks, coaching Wallabies A)


After having done all this research, I think it’s fair to say that none of these three have the same pedigree as Joe Schmidt, the teacher. Who took a sh1tty Ireland team to no.1. Won a few 6 Nations and helped get the All Blacks to a world cup final in 2023.


Joe’s the best option for now. But if Kiss, Larkham and Gilmore are the business for the future for Australia get them in now as assistants to Joe and stop moaning!!


Errors and Ommissions accepted. Mispelling of names is OJohn's fault.

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