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Freddie Burns names the Leicester No9 he wants England to start

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Freddie Burns has put his head on the chopping block ahead of Thursday’s latest England team announcement and named the Leicester player he wants to start as Test scrum-half this weekend. Tigers teammates, the seasoned Ben Youngs and the rookie Jack van Poortvliet, are battling each other for selection to be the English No9 against the All Blacks this Saturday at Twickenham.

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They are Eddie Jones’ only two scrum-half options after the England coach cut his squad from 36 to 25 on Tuesday evening, further firing the debate over who should get the nod to start versus New Zealand.

Youngs, who started the Autumn Nations Series opener against Argentina, is a Test centurion who has seen and done it all while van Poortvliet, last Saturday’s starting No9 against Japan, is the coming man and many people’s favourite to make the England XV this weekend.

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Burns, though, doesn’t agree, explaining on this week’s RugbyPass Offload show that Youngs would be the better option to start for England on this occasion and that the energy which van Poortvliet brings would be best utilised in the closing 20 minutes against a tiring Kiwi defence.

“I’m going to pick Ben Youngs every day,” said Burns with an air of confidence when asked to discuss the merits of his Leicester teammates who are challenging each other for the same club and country position with the Tigers and England. “If someone says there is a World Cup final tomorrow, I’m picking Ben Youngs.

“Not because he is a good mate, but as a tactical thinker, as a leader, and that is one thing that wouldn’t surprise me this week with Eddie Jones that if they did go back to starting Ben Youngs at nine just because he can do what he does and then you can bring that speed and gung-ho of JVP when the game is broken up.

“It’s like I was saying earlier about Marcus Smith, if on 60 minutes you roll on JVP and Marcus Smith, Jesus, you start talking about tired defenders and stuff like that. I know it is never as simple as that but f*** me, I’d be scared as a defender seeing those two come off the bench and know that the game and the tempo is going to go up.”

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Asked to explain how they differ and what their individual strengths are, Burns added: “First and foremost, Ben Youngs is the best scrum-half I have ever played with. Like, he is an incredible player. He gets unnecessary flak from people outside of those England circles. There is a reason why he is Eddie’s go-to, there is a reason why he has a 100-odd caps for England.

I know Jack van Poortvliet started at the weekend but in the game before, in the Argentina game, never underestimate the work that Ben Youngs does for 60 minutes that allows JVP to come for 20 minutes.

“I go back to the Prem final (last June for Leicester), we started Richard Wigglesworth and brought on Ben Youngs. There is a real string to England’s bow there having two such great nines. JVP is a bit greener behind the ears, he is a bit more gung-ho in terms of chucking him in there and he will just go, go, go.

“Ben Youngs is more of a thinker, more tactical and probably a bit more streetwise just from experience. But either way, whoever they start and put on the bench, you will see an injection of pace when either one of them comes on because of the work the other one does before.

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“They are both rapid, but JVP is a freak, he will do a 50kg chin-up for like two or three. Honestly, he is strong.”

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Five reasons why Super Rugby Pacific is enjoying it's best season in forever

The Mickey Mouse playoff system that made the entire regular season redundant

The playoff system has never been redundant Ben, it was merely important to fewer teams, just those vying for top seed. After that it was simply about qualifying.


The format is arguably worse now. I can see the Canes slumping to a point were the return of key components, like their starting midfield, is now going to happen too late for them due to the reduced playoff spots. So we don’t get the perfect jeopardy like what we got with the Crusaders last year, were deservedly (despite showing they easily had a top 4 team when fit) they missed out because they were even more pathetic than that early team deserved. A couple more bonus points with some better leadership, on and off field, would have given the Crusaders a deserving. As reported last year have we not seen a more perfect finals run in.


Objectively easier finals qualification is better suited to shorter competitions, and we know SR is the “sprint” version amongst it’s rugby equivalents. The Top 14 is probably the worst competition in this respect, with it’s length with a double round robin should have a football styled champion. The Premiership, with it’s smaller base but also double round robin, was pretty much perfectly suited to it’s smaller 4 team playoff. Super Rugby, with it’s much shorter season (smaller amount of games, and most importantly over a much shorter period, would be able suited to a 6 team play off series if it had a comparative round robin. It doesn’t. Playing a bunch of random extra games, within your own division, requires you to expand the qualification reach. Super Rugby was another perfectly balanced competition.


If you want to look subjectively, sure, there are a lot of cool facets of tighter qualification, they just aren’t sensible applicable to SR so you have to be a realist.


I’m pretty sure you yourself have authored articles showing you need to be in the top four come finals time to win Super Rugby.

Competition parity this year just seems to be part luck, but we’ll take it.

The closer parity is simply more about circumstance, I agree. The Lions tour has just as much to do with the consistency and early standards in Australian players performances, and random factors balancing the NZ sides. The predictable improvement of the “Pacific Powers” another key factor, but with the case of extra support like NZR help raise their profile, as in the “Ardie” factor, possibly able to happen a year sooner than it has.


Still, as I have highlighted on previous articles, I wouldn’t be surprised if these results were nearly as predictable as they were last year, and that it was just the fixture ‘creation’ by new management that has artificially created a bit more hype and unrealistic perception on the competitions ‘parity’, in these early stages.

Super Rugby Pacific has done the right thing and got rid of most TMO interventions that have plagued the game over the last few years and impacted one World Cup final.

I wouldn’t have minded if they just put their own spin on WR’s structure. While you don’t go on to describe what the two situations are that remain, one that I think could still have been of value keeping is for the ability for the TMO to rule live.


The fact that several of the WC’s TMO officials were overly zealous in their ability to over rule the onfield decision does not mean there wouldn’t have been value in a good southern hemisphere run contingent from simply adding value and support to the game ref. Take the case last weekend as the perfect example. While I don’t believe it would have been of any real benefit for the Highlanders to have had advantage at the death (the same sequence would have still played out), looking in isolation one can clearly tell that was a live situation where the ref said he was obstructed from making a call, and if the current rules would have allowed, the TMO, like us on TV, could easily have told him to play advantage for the infringement. In another situation that type of officiating could have made all the difference to the quality and accuracy of the outcome. Views of the comp would be a lot different if it was clearly as case that the Highlanders were robbed of a deserved victory.


All told, the game is obviously much better off for what changes have been made with officiating, though this is not really isolated to SR. SR is just the only comp to have start with these.

If you want back in, put your hands up for some real competition, don’t ask for handouts. No conference systems.

We are currently in a conference system Ben, I’m afraid you’re beating the wrong drum there and you own subjective (and flawed) opinions are coming through quite clearly. As spitballed on the article a few days ago, it’s hard to see a true league table where it is either a full round robin or double round robin happen, there is still going to be some amount of divisional derby matchs going on to fill out the season.


Conferences are also the only way forward, so get on board. I would love for SARU to be able to add a couple of regional sides in Super Rugby, using the countries burgeoning playerbase. It might be far easier, and more advantageous, for SA to add to SR than say try to enlarge the URC, or go it on their own with a professional scene. They could leave their clubs to themselves and take control of running a highveld team out of Cheetahs country, and a lowveld team wherever they would like a new attempt at a ‘Kings’ team. I can’t see the clubs ever rejoining SR.


Not surprised the article is well off the mark Ben.


One thing they could do to further improve the ‘jeopardy’ though is to have a separate world club table where each seasons finalists are awarding ranking points going towards selecting who takes part in the biennial (right?) world champs the Champions Cup is hosting in the future. I’d normally expect the government to simply send whoever the most recent finalists are but I reckon creating a way to have those instead be judged by contribution since the last edition (however frequent this idea might turn out) could be a winner this new management will work out and capitalize on. It would also help add to that jeopardy if say ranking points were only allocated to the top 6 of an 8 team finals format.

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