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The first inkling Mike Brown got that his days at Harlequins might be numbered

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Departing Harlequins fullback Mike Brown has shed some more light on the events that led to his departure from the London club after 16 years of service.

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Despite being the club’s most capped player, Brown will reunite with former coach Dean Richards at Newcastle Falcons next season. The announcement of his departure this month was followed by the revelation of a four-minute meeting with then head coach Paul Gustard to tell the 35-year-old his contract would not be renewed.

Joining Christina Mahon, Ryan Wilson and Jamie Roberts on RugbyPass Offload this week, the 72-cap England fullback provided more details on what happened, and how he sensed something was strange towards the end of last season.

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“I have to be a bit careful because the club weren’t too happy with what I said,” the 349-cap Quins star said. “What happened is what I said, and there’s a couple of reasons why I said it. One, I was kind of hurt with how it happened. Two, I want the club to learn so that things like this don’t happen again.

“There’s going to be other guys that leave in the future and I feel like there’s a lot of learning that can be taken from my situation. I think it’s important to do that. I think it’s important also to understand this isn’t old-school rugby anymore. I think people on the outside just lean on the whole romantic side of rugby, the loyalty, the respect, all those sort of values that I guess used to be a massive part of rugby, back in the ‘olden days’. I think people still lean on that when it’s on the player, but when it’s on the other things like the clubs, it’s just business. It’s important for me to get that across that yeah, that’s fine, it’s a business, but when a player does something to look after themselves, we can’t start going back to these romantic old school values of respect, loyalty.

“Everyone at some point gets moved along, but I think there’s a way of doing it and a process of doing it which I don’t feel was done right in my situation.

“I don’t want to go into too much detail. Laurie Dalrymple [CEO of Harlequins] has come out and said what he said, which is fine, he can do that like I did. But I’m not one of them to go back and forth.
“It’s how it led to that meeting. There were other things that went on which didn’t sit well with me for the service I gave. Things like having to chase for a long time. There was supposed to be a meeting with Gussy [Paul Gustard] before that which didn’t happen because of whatever reason and then moved onto another day. If it was that important to them it wouldn’t have been moved, it would have been done then and there.

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Mike Brown. (Photo by Getty Images)

“I felt something towards the end of that restart season. I asked Sean Long, for example, who left at the end of that season “is there something with the older lads because I’m feeling something”. I’m quite good at reading situations and environments and I could sense something with the coaches. So I kind of felt something but I thought I was playing well and my stats were showing that. I thought I was doing good things around the club. We’ve got a young back three with a lot of inexperience, and I’m helping those. People like Louis Lynagh, who’s come through massively, I was helping with mentoring and he’s come out and said nice things and he doesn’t have to do that. All those things you think “maybe I’m going to be kept on”.

“So to hear that in that meeting was a massive blow. And then to be left over the weekend with no one to talk to apart from my wife, who’s now stressed and upset and not really sure about our future, my dad, who the last time he was at the club it was for a ceremony where he’s hearing “you’ll always have a place at the club” and all that sort of thing. I’ve got to deal with that on my own.

“I’m not saying that for people to feel sorry for me, but it just goes back to the processes I’m talking about. We have one of the best welfare liaison officers you could imagine. But he wasn’t in that process for whatever reason, he didn’t even know it was going to happen. Such a big meeting. It’s a big meeting for anyone but for someone that’s been there for their whole adult life, for seventeen years, that’s a huge meeting. You need someone like that straight after the meeting to talk to, to check in on you, all those things. But I was left the whole weekend to process that, to deal with that with a young family.

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“I came in on the Monday and I felt embarrassed, I felt like “where do I fit in? What am I doing here?” All those sort of things. As a player, all those insecurities you feel. I don’t know how to be in this environment anymore because I don’t feel I’ve got any value, any worth. You have all those sorts of things on top of you. It’s hard to explain, but that is what was going on.

“A week before my Newcastle announcement, they came back with something. It’s hard, because when things like that happen, all the feelings you have for the club are sucked out of you. I would argue that there is no one that has the feelings I have for Harlequins. The love, the loyalty, the respect.”

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GrahamVF 23 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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JW 6 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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