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Getting to know: England U20s captain Lewis Chessum

(Photo by Liam Heagney)

Lewis Chessum was a prime reason why England came away from Paarl last Saturday with an impressive 34-all draw versus Ireland in an opening-round pool match at the Junior World Championship.

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The lock led from the front in South Africa as the English U20s skipper, setting the tone physically to enable his team to reel in the 12-point gap that existed between the two countries from 14 weeks ago in Cork when they met in the final round of the age-grade Six Nations.

He also exhibited great dexterity for someone so, so tall. For instance, the 6ft 9in giant turned sweetly at one stage near the end of the first half on his own try line to win a diving touch down race to deny Ireland a try after Sam Prendergast had threaded a cheeky kick in behind.

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RugbyPass caught up with Chessum at the England team hotel in downtown Cape Town for a two-pronged interview.

The main part of that insightful 30-minute chat will be published soon, a conversation where he revealingly spoke about his emergence at Leicester in the Steve Borthwick era.

In the meantime, here are his answers to the quickfire section, entertaining responses that highlighted his respect for the Youngs brothers at Tigers, why university isn’t a consideration, his favourite cheesy Taylor Swift tune, and his dream of playing alongside older brother Ollie:

THE BASICS
Born: February 27, 2003;
Joined England age-grade: It would be U20s for games, U18s was hit by covid but I played a North-South fixture;
Club: Leicester (senior development contract);
Position: Lock;
Boots: I’m wearing adidas Predator at the moment but the pair I am wearing, they stopped making them a couple of years ago, so I had to buy off a website;
Gumshield: Opro, standard;
Headgear: No, I just stopped. I used to wear an N-Pro but then I stopped and I just feel a little freer now. I can hear better. I don’t know, I feel it is one less thing I have got to worry about;
School: I went to Carre’s Grammar school in Sleaford and then when I got to 16, I moved to Brooksby College to join a programme with Leicester.

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RATE YOURSELF (out of 100)
Pace: I ain’t slow but I’m not quick at all. Let’s go 60. I can get above third gear, that’s about it;
Passing: I’d say I have got decent hands. I’m no No10 but I’ll go 60 again;
Tackling: Probably about 60 again. It’s the height. I struggle to get down sometimes.

THE PAST
My favourite England player of all time is… Tom Youngs.

Favourite try I have ever scored is… Leicester versus Sale in the Premiership Cup.

A rugby memory that makes me smile is… This is a watching memory. Leicester beat Munster in 2016 in a European game at Welford Road. It was one of the first games that I had been to. Owen Williams was playing at 10 and he slotted a 40-metre penalty to win us the game.

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One piece of advice I would give to my younger self is… I guess don’t worry. Everything will work out the way it should do in the end. I spent a lot of time worrying about stuff I didn’t need to worry about.

My best subject in school was… I was good at design technology, like woodwork.

The first player who made me fall in love with rugby is… Again, I’d say the Youngs brothers, Tom and Ben. I have always been a massive Leicester fan and they were the two brothers a bit similar to me and my brother now. I guess they were some of the big games at the club at the time, local from us, not too far. They are from Norfolk and we’re Lincolnshire, so they are not a million miles away.

Growing up, my position was… I was always a second row. Often got chucked in the back row when I was a little bit younger but yeah, I’ve always been a second row.

The coach who has most impacted my game is… From a younger point of view, Colin Owen. He was my first club coach and then my first PE teacher who helped me into rugby was Ben Pickard. Then as I have pushed through at Leicester, when I was 16 and 17 going into the academy, it would be Tom Harrison and Greg Mannion and at Brooksby, the college I was at. They pushed me through, and then obviously Steve last year at Leicester before he left. He had a massive impact on my game being a second row and lineout caller.

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THE PRESENT
My favourite rising rugby player is… It’s hard because I am rising too. I’ll have to pick one of these (England U20s) boys. Joe Woodward. He is a year younger than me and I have watched him at Brooksby and he has come through the academy with me. He is exciting. The kid can play rugby.

My best attributes on the field are… My lineout work. I quite enjoy a lineout and a maul. I’d say I am a good leader. They would be my best attributes.

One thing I’m doing to improve my education is… Not an awful lot. I am going into a coaching course next season. I want to get into coaching post-career.

My favourite current England player is… Ollie Chessum. If I answered it any other than that I would get in trouble when I get home.

My favourite YouTuber is… I can’t say I go for a lot. Not really. I don’t really watch a lot.

My hardest working teammate isGreg Fisilau here. The kid grafts.

My most skilful teammate is… That is a good one. You’re probably looking at Joe Woodward, Chandler (Cunningham-South).

My favourite training drill is… Lineouts. Lineout contest, team vs team. Going at it in the air.

My favourite music artist is… There is a recurring theme recently. I answered a question a few weeks back and I said my favourite song was Taylor Swift Mine so I am going to have to stay with Taylor Swift now, aren’t I! She’d be up there. It’s a cheesy tune.

THE FUTURE
A player who could go all the way is… Chander. Definitely from this squad.

If I could play with anyone, I would like to play with… My brother. I have never played with him. I have only trained with him so that is my go-to.

I will be happy with my career if I… Got to play alongside my brother for Leicester or England in front of my family.

I want to make a difference by… Being a good leader.

One thing I want to add to my game is… I’d like to be better at carrying, definitely.

If I could get a degree in anything I would choose… I wouldn’t bother. I just don’t fancy going to university. I’d prefer to work.

I would be a better player if I… Was more mobile, as in flexible.

If I could play in any other country, I would play in… I guess I’d go to Scotland, Ireland, or Wales. They’re close to home and I can get a flight in an hour. Home nation countries.

One person I want to meet is… Steven Gerrard. I have always been a big Liverpool fan.

One trophy I would love to win is… The Premiership. Or the U20s World Cup.

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JW 1 hour ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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