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Glasgow coach says Premiership clubs success is due to more depth

Cork , Ireland - 1 December 2023; Glasgow Warriors head coach Franco Smith before the United Rugby Championship match between Munster and Glasgow Warriors at Musgrave Park in Cork. (Photo By Eóin Noonan/Sportsfile via Getty Images)

English Premiership sides won seven out of eight games in the Investec Champions’ Cup this past weekend, and there is a firm belief that part of this success comes as a positive from the tough financial year that some clubs had.

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The fact that England lost three clubs over the past two years – Worcester, Wasps and London Irish – all closed their doors leaving them a 10-club league meant that a number of players have bolstered other English clubs in the meantime, and as a direct consequence English clubs have had their squad depth bolstered by this.

One of the coaches who has picked up on this trend is former Springbok assistant and current Glasgow Warriors coach Franco Smith, whose side lost to Northampton in round one at home at the Scotstoun and will now need to make up for it in their round two fixture against Bayonne this coming weekend.

Smith, when asked about the trend, said it certainly had an effect on the strength of English clubs.

“It definitely has had an effect. They could still fit a lot more players into their budget because the value of the players adapted to fit the budget and because there are so many players available, everybody’s price dropped a bit.

“So with the same budget you can have more players in your squad. I do think that plays a role.”

Investec Champions Cup

Pool 1
P
W
L
D
PF
PA
PD
BP T
BP-7
BP
Total
1
Bordeaux
1
1
0
0
5
2
Bristol
1
1
0
0
5
3
Bulls
1
1
0
0
4
4
Lyon
1
0
1
0
2
5
Saracens
1
0
1
0
0
6
Connacht
1
0
1
0
0
Pool 2
P
W
L
D
PF
PA
PD
BP T
BP-7
BP
Total
1
Toulouse
1
1
0
0
5
2
Bath
1
1
0
0
5
3
Harlequins
1
1
0
0
5
4
Racing 92
1
0
1
0
2
5
Ulster
1
0
1
0
0
6
Cardiff Rugby
1
0
1
0
0
Pool 3
P
W
L
D
PF
PA
PD
BP T
BP-7
BP
Total
1
Northampton
1
1
0
0
4
2
Exeter Chiefs
1
1
0
0
4
3
Bayonne
1
0
0
1
2
4
Munster
1
0
0
1
2
5
Toulon
1
0
1
0
1
6
Glasgow
1
0
1
0
0
Pool 4
P
W
L
D
PF
PA
PD
BP T
BP-7
BP
Total
1
Leicester
1
1
0
0
5
2
Sale
1
1
0
0
4
3
Leinster
1
1
0
0
4
4
La Rochelle
1
0
1
0
1
5
Stormers
1
0
1
0
0
6
Stade Francais
1
0
1
0
0
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While South African sides won four out of five in the Champions’ Cup and EPCR Challenge Cup on the weekend, generally there were some disappointing results across the board for teams in the Vodacom United Rugby Championship.

Smith believes this is an anomaly and that the situation will rectify itself as the competition’s league rounds play out.

“I also find it strange, I don’t have the answer right now, but even Connacht losing with 40 points at home made it interesting. The URC teams were a little bit off things this weekend, which is not normal. Usually in this competition the URC results were a bit of a surprise for me, but in our case there are enough controllables from our side that weren’t done well and that we can rectify.

“But yes, it is definitely evident that the Premiership teams did well. Usually the French teams give the first two rounds a go, and if they see they are in it, they give it a go, but if they lose they play less competitive teams.”

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With the Glasgow coach unhappy at the way his side performed at home, failing to get a losing bonus point at the end, the pressure is on when they travel to France this weekend.

“It was a tough result in the end. We got better as the game went on. I think we were a little bit shell-shocked at the beginning of the game. I thought Northampton did very well. They are a very good attacking side and asked questions in the right areas – we kicked poorly in the first half and couldn’t get out of our half, the wind was in our face. I thought the kick-chase didn’t back the kicking game up.

“After the halftime talk we had much better actions. At times we attacked far better than we have attacked at times this season. Our setpiece was unsettled by them and they came with a definite plan to unsettle us there. We have our own introspection to do, but I thought they were quite well prepared and a quality side. It is hard to measure the Premiership against the Top 14 and URC so they just made the point from the start that it is tough to play us here and they just came with a plan.”

The anomaly of results saw the away sides in Glasgow’s group do very well. Bayonne forced a draw against URC champions Munster while Exeter came from behind to stun Toulon on their home ground.

In a tournament where home teams tend to dominate, this was also a turn-up for the books.

But that gives Smith hope ahead of the Bayonne trip, and he is still smiling.

“Hopefully that is a good sign because we’re going to Bayonne this weekend. We will give it a full go there again,” he smiled.

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JW 2 hours ago
The Fergus Burke test and rugby's free market

Of course not, but were not going to base our reasoning on what is said in one comment in a particular scenario and time, are we?


Actually, you are? Seriously?

Although Burke readily admits “I am driven by international rugby”, his final destination is still unknown. He could be one day replacing Finn Russell in the navy blue of Scotland, or challenging Marcus Smith for the right to wear a red rose on his chest, or cycling all the way home to the silver fern. It is all ‘Professor Plum in the billiards room with the lead pipe’ type guesswork, as things stand.

You yourself suggested it? Just theoretically? Look I hope Burke does well, but he's not really a player that has got a lot of attention, you've probably read/heard more him in this last few months than we have in his 4 years. Your own comments also suggest going overseas is a good idea to push ones case for national selection, especially for a team like NZ being so isolated. So i'll ask again, as no of your quotes obviously say one thing or the other, why don't you think he might be trying to advance his case like Leicester did?


Also, you can look at Leicesters statements in a similar fashion, where no doubt you are referring to his comments made while in NZ (still playing a big part of the WC campaign in his case). You should be no means have taken them for granted, and I'd suggest any other coach or management and he might not have returned (been wanted back).

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JW 3 hours ago
The Fergus Burke test and rugby's free market

As Razor should be, he is the All Black coach after all. Borthwick or Schmidt, not so much. The point I was trying to make is that people are comparing Razors first year (14 games) versus Fosters first 14 games, which were over two years and happened to conclude just before he lost all of his EOYT games (Ireland, France, England etc). Not to mention them being COVID level opponents.


So who were these 6 teams and circumstances of Marcus's loses? I had just written that sentence as a draft and it was still there after adding the prior sentence, so just left it there lol. So not bullying no, but left essentially to say 'i'm not going to find out of myself', yes. I thought I had already proved the need for that sort of requirement with the Razor reference. So as per above, there would be a lot of context to take out of those 14 games (those shared between Farrell Ford and Smith) against higher opponents. It's a good stat/way to highlight the your point, but all a stat like that really does is show you theres something to investigate. Had you done this investigation prior to coming to your realisation, or after?


Yes, my view is that England did very well to push New Zealand on multiple occasions, and Marcus specifically in keeping England in the game against Australia. Personally I think Englands results are more down to luck however. And as I said, I'm here to be swayed, not defend Marcus as the #1. I think I understand were you're coming from, and you make a good observation that the 10 has a fair bit to do with how fast a side can play (though what you said was a 'Marcus neutral' statement) and the same argument has been made with the All Blacks fascination with playing players like Beauden Barrett at 10 who can't orchestrate an attack like that in order to compound LQB into points. Even a 10 like Dmac is more a self creator than one that is a cog in a wider plan.


But I still don't think you'd be right if you've put down the sides lack of LQB (pretty sure I remember checking that stat) compared to the 6N as being something to do with a Marcus Smith side. We've seen other similar teams who rely on it being found out recently as well, I just think it's harder to get that flow on (lets not making it a debate about the relative strength of the hemispheres) now (hence said investigation into those games and contexts are required).


25 is also young, he is the best fit to take the side to a RWC. Ford or Farrell are not. Fin could be, but as you've said with Marcus, that would require a lot of change elsewhere in the team 2 years out of a WC. Marcus will get a 6N to prove himself so to speak, unless Fin gets in quick, I don't think you should want a change if you get a couple of reasonable results. But then you expect England to be in the top 3 of the world, let alone the 6N...

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