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Glasgow URC play-off bid could go down to Edinburgh showdown after loss to Bulls

By PA
PA

Glasgow’s United Rugby Championship play-off hopes could go down to a season-ending clash with Scottish rivals Edinburgh following a 29-17 defeat to the Bulls in Pretoria.

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A win would have earned Warriors a place in the quarter-finals with a game to spare, but their failure to stretch their advantage over the ninth-placed Scarlets means they remain at risk of being caught.

The Scarlets visit the Ospreys on Saturday and a defeat for the men from Llanelli – assuming they do not collect two bonus points in the process – would send Glasgow through.

However, should Dwayne Peel’s side, who currently trail Warriors by seven points, end the weekend within five of the Scottish club, then Glasgow’s involvement in the knockouts would go down to the final round.

Danny Wilson’s men took the lead through a penalty try at Loftus Versfeld but conceded scores through Zak Burger, Madosh Tambwe, Walt Steenkamp and Cyle Brink before Ollie Smith added a late consolation. The Bulls are now all but assured of their place in the last eight.

Glasgow put their hosts under early pressure and were rewarded for their decision to kick for the corner when the collapsing of a line-out maul led to a penalty try, while the Bulls had Elrigh Louw sin-binned.

The home side emerged from Louw’s 10 minutes on the sidelines back on level terms, with Burger having applied the finish after Ruan Nortje put the Bulls on the Glasgow line.

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Morne Steyn added the extras and pulled the Bulls level for a second time after Duncan Weir had nudged Glasgow back in front from the tee.

Veteran fly-half Steyn then missed a relatively straightforward attempt, but the Bulls moved in front for the first time before the break.

An accumulation of penalties led to Glasgow prop Zander Fagerson being yellow-carded as the clock reached 40, and the Bulls immediately took advantage as an excellent team move ended with Tambwe going over on the right wing. Steyn rediscovered his range to make it 17-10 at the interval.

Tambwe was denied a second try by a tight offside call 11 minutes into the second half, but the Bulls soon kicked on and claimed a bonus point as Steenkamp and Brink both powered over. Steyn converted Steenkamp’s effort before replacement Chris Smith hit a post following the latter touchdown.

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Ollie Smith crossed for Glasgow in the last 10 minutes, converted by Ross Thompson, but it was not enough to avoid leaving South Africa empty-handed, with the full-back later seeing a try ruled out for a forward pass.

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JW 3 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Yep, that's exactly what I want.

Glasgow won the URC and Edinburgh finished 16th, but Scotland won the six nations, Edinburgh would qualify for the Champions Cup under your system.

It's 'or'. If Glasgow won the URC or Scotland won the six nations. If one of those happens I believe it will (or should) be because the league is in a strong place, and that if a Scotland side can do that, there next best club team should be allowed to reach for the same and that would better serve the advancement of the game.


Now, of course picking a two team league like Scotland is the extreme case of your argument, but I'm happy for you to make it. First, Edinbourgh are a good mid table team, so they are deserving, as my concept would have predicted, of the opportunity to show can step up. Second, you can't be making a serious case that Gloucester are better based on beating them, surely. You need to read Nicks latest article on SA for a current perspective on road teams in the EPCR. Christ, you can even follow Gloucester and look at the team they put out the following week to know that those games are meaningless.


More importantly, third. Glasgow are in a league/pool with Italy, So the next team to be given a spot in my technically imperfect concept would be Benneton. To be fair to my idea that's still in it's infancy, I haven't given any thought to those 'two team' leagues/countries yet, and I'm not about to 😋

They would be arguably worse if they didn't win the Challenge Cup.

Incorrect. You aren't obviously familiar with knockout football Finn, it's a 'one off' game. But in any case, that's not your argument. You're trying to suggest they're not better than the fourth ranked team in the Challenge Cup that hasn't already qualified in their own league, so that could be including quarter finalists. I have already given you an example of a team that is the first to get knocked out by the champions not getting a fair ranking to a team that loses to one of the worst of the semi final teams (for example).

Sharks are better

There is just so much wrong with your view here. First, the team that you are knocking out for this, are the Stormers, who weren't even in the Challenge Cup. They were the 7th ranked team in the Champions Cup. I've also already said there is good precedent to allow someone outside the league table who was heavily impacted early in the season by injury to get through by winning Challenge Cup. You've also lost the argument that Sharks qualify as the third (their two best are in my league qualification system) South African team (because a SAn team won the CC, it just happened to be them) in my system. I'm doubt that's the last of reasons to be found either.


Your system doesn't account for performance or changes in their domestic leagues models, and rely's heavily on an imperfect and less effective 'winner takes all' model.

Giving more incentives to do well in the Challenge Cup will make people take it more seriously. My system does that and yours doesn't.

No your systems doesn't. Not all the time/circumstances. You literally just quoted me describing how they aren't going to care about Challenge Cup if they are already qualifying through league performance. They are also not going to hinder their chance at high seed in the league and knockout matches, for the pointless prestige of the Challenge Cup.


My idea fixes this by the suggesting that say a South African or Irish side would actually still have some desire to win one of their own sides a qualification spot if they win the Challenge Cup though. I'll admit, its not the strongest incentive, but it is better than your nothing. I repeat though, if your not balance entries, or just my assignment, then obviously winning the Challenge Cup should get you through, but your idea of 4th place getting in a 20 team EPCR? Cant you see the difference lol


Not even going to bother finishing that last paragraph. 8 of 10 is not an equal share.

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