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'Grenoble away was the most violent game I have ever played in'

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Former Scotland prop Mattie Stewart has named a November 1999 Heineken Cup defeat with Northampton away to Grenoble as the most violent rugby match he ever played. Away trips to France during the early years of the European Cup often became notorious for the foul play action that took place both on and off the pitch during an era where it was common for the visiting team to make a weekend of their trip and enjoy a night out following their match.

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Northampton were no different when they visited the Alpine city of Grenoble for a round two game 23 years ago, a wild pitstop that has now been remembered on Rugby Stories, the BT Sport podcast charting the colourful histories of the current Gallagher Premiership clubs.

Episode six in the 13-part series heard about how Northampton ended their 120-year wait for a major trophy, the Saints winning the 1999/2000 Heineken Cup by defeating Munster in the Twickenham final. However, their path to that decider was littered with multiple incidents – including a painful pool defeat in Grenoble.

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Scotland tighthead Stewart joined Northampton in 1997 and the club’s first-ever season in the Heineken Cup two years later was not for the faint-hearted. The Saints opened their campaign with a home win over Neath before things got rather hairy in France.

“Grenoble away was the most violent game I have ever played in,” reckoned the now-49-year-old Stewart, who earned 34 Scotland caps and spent six years in the Northampton front row. “They weren’t too happy with what we were doing in the game and we weren’t happy with what they were doing.

“They were blood spilt, shirts ripped and patience tested. As rugby experiences go, those early days of French rugby away would live up to brutal. Backs, forwards, the referee was just letting everything go and we were second best. From my memory, we lost it at the end. We had a bit of a battle with their No8 and I do remember meeting him at the nightclub that evening and all I can say is we were all running out of that nightclub at the end of the night with the bouncers chasing us with baseball bats.”

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It was November 27 in 1999 when Northampton lost out 20-18 away to Grenoble, but they were more than a match for the French side when the rematch took place 43 days later with a January 9 round five fixture at Franklin’s Gardens, a bruiser the Saints won 27-16 to help them top their pool en route to winning the trophy.

“We learned from the away game that we could compete with these guys at home,” continued Stewart. “We were very, very confident leading into the home game against Grenoble. If they weren’t up for it in that first scrum then we knew we got them.

“The first scrum went down on their ball and we literally pushed them off it, won the ball back, crowd went crazy and, to be fair, they weren’t in the game after that. The dominance up front against a French side, they won’t like that.”

  • For the full Northampton Saints story on their 1999/2000 Heineken Cup triumph, check out BT Sport’s podcast series, Rugby Stories, part of the BT Sport Pods lineup of podcasts. Every Monday, Rugby Stories, presented by Craig Doyle, will spotlight and celebrate English club rugby history. Btsport.com/pods
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JW 5 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Yep, that's exactly what I want.

Glasgow won the URC and Edinburgh finished 16th, but Scotland won the six nations, Edinburgh would qualify for the Champions Cup under your system.

It's 'or'. If Glasgow won the URC or Scotland won the six nations. If one of those happens I believe it will (or should) be because the league is in a strong place, and that if a Scotland side can do that, there next best club team should be allowed to reach for the same and that would better serve the advancement of the game.


Now, of course picking a two team league like Scotland is the extreme case of your argument, but I'm happy for you to make it. First, Edinbourgh are a good mid table team, so they are deserving, as my concept would have predicted, of the opportunity to show can step up. Second, you can't be making a serious case that Gloucester are better based on beating them, surely. You need to read Nicks latest article on SA for a current perspective on road teams in the EPCR. Christ, you can even follow Gloucester and look at the team they put out the following week to know that those games are meaningless.


More importantly, third. Glasgow are in a league/pool with Italy, So the next team to be given a spot in my technically imperfect concept would be Benneton. To be fair to my idea that's still in it's infancy, I haven't given any thought to those 'two team' leagues/countries yet, and I'm not about to 😋

They would be arguably worse if they didn't win the Challenge Cup.

Incorrect. You aren't obviously familiar with knockout football Finn, it's a 'one off' game. But in any case, that's not your argument. You're trying to suggest they're not better than the fourth ranked team in the Challenge Cup that hasn't already qualified in their own league, so that could be including quarter finalists. I have already given you an example of a team that is the first to get knocked out by the champions not getting a fair ranking to a team that loses to one of the worst of the semi final teams (for example).

Sharks are better

There is just so much wrong with your view here. First, the team that you are knocking out for this, are the Stormers, who weren't even in the Challenge Cup. They were the 7th ranked team in the Champions Cup. I've also already said there is good precedent to allow someone outside the league table who was heavily impacted early in the season by injury to get through by winning Challenge Cup. You've also lost the argument that Sharks qualify as the third (their two best are in my league qualification system) South African team (because a SAn team won the CC, it just happened to be them) in my system. I'm doubt that's the last of reasons to be found either.


Your system doesn't account for performance or changes in their domestic leagues models, and rely's heavily on an imperfect and less effective 'winner takes all' model.

Giving more incentives to do well in the Challenge Cup will make people take it more seriously. My system does that and yours doesn't.

No your systems doesn't. Not all the time/circumstances. You literally just quoted me describing how they aren't going to care about Challenge Cup if they are already qualifying through league performance. They are also not going to hinder their chance at high seed in the league and knockout matches, for the pointless prestige of the Challenge Cup.


My idea fixes this by the suggesting that say a South African or Irish side would actually still have some desire to win one of their own sides a qualification spot if they win the Challenge Cup though. I'll admit, its not the strongest incentive, but it is better than your nothing. I repeat though, if your not balance entries, or just my assignment, then obviously winning the Challenge Cup should get you through, but your idea of 4th place getting in a 20 team EPCR? Cant you see the difference lol


Not even going to bother finishing that last paragraph. 8 of 10 is not an equal share.

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