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'He asked them twice to kick it': Ian Foster on Foley's costly game management

Wallabies head coach Dave Rennie (L) talks to All Blacks head coach Ian Foster ahead of The Rugby Championship & Bledisloe Cup match between the Australia Wallabies and the New Zealand All Blacks at Marvel Stadium on September 15, 2022 in Melbourne, Australia. (Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

All Blacks head coach Ian Foster believed a very clear call was made from Mathieu Raynal to hand over possession after a delay of the game from the Wallabies.

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The Wallabies looked moments away from a famous win in Melbourne after inside centre Lalakai Foketi secured a critical holding on penalty to snuff out a driving maul from the All Blacks to win the game.

With 90 seconds remaining on the clock, flyhalf Bernard Foley was told by Raynal to make the clearance to touch but the veteran Wallaby was too slow for the referee’s liking.

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Raynal blew a scrum to the All Blacks, turning the tables on the Wallabies which led to a try in extra time to fullback Jordie Barrett.

“I thought it was very clear cut, they were delaying the kick,” Foster said of the decision.

“He said ‘time off’, he warned them and then he said ‘time off’, he said to them ‘speed it up’ and then he said ‘time on’.

“He asked them twice to kick it. I understand the contentious nature about it but it was very clear cut from our position.”

Foster pointed to the way that Andrew Kellaway’s first try was handled by the officials as an ‘unclear’ situation, explaining that the TMO had warranted the pas a second look but that the on-field referees allowed the conversion to take place.

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“The other one that wasn’t clear cut was Kellaway’s try, the TMO wanted to look at what was a very suspicious forward pass and yet the conversion was allowed to be taken,” he said.

“There is a bit of swings and roundabouts but in both cases, it is what is is.”

When the issue was brought up again in the post-match press conference, Foster put responsibility on the Wallabies and indirectly on Bernard Foley for his role in the debacle.

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The All Blacks head coach said it came down to ‘game management’ and understanding the directions from the referee, to which Foley had not given enough weight too.

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“Can I just say, part of your game management is listening to the referee,” Foster said.

“So when the referee says time on, you have to play it.

“I just saw it out there, I saw it very clearly, I heard very clearly what the ref said.

“I think we have got to be careful. If people think that decided the test match then you have to go back and analyse all the other decisions in the game too.

“I thought the ref was very clear about what we did, so whether people agree or disagree, he certainly had a clear mind about it.”

Foley blamed the delay in trying to get his team to understand the lineout call over the 39 seconds that elapsed.

“We were understanding the lineout call,” Foley later told Stan Sport.

“The ref said time off and he sped it up.

“It’s just disappointing how great a game was and yet we’re talking about the referee.”

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Ruby 796 days ago

Call was correct, it's not a matter of debate, I've never seen anyone carded for targeting legs in the ruck but no one (apart from Rennie and that thug that did it) is arguing that it doesn't warrant a card just because they haven't seen a card for that reason. Generally players are smart enough to kick it when they've been told to multiple times.

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Martin 796 days ago

If you are any doubt as to what just happened on the field of play best thing to do is check the scoreboard 😊

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jaze 797 days ago

On first watch I thought it was a ridiculous call. And super harsh.

Ive watched it twice more and actually he (the ref) tells them again and again starting early with nick white and then axel. The Aussie players are yelling at him to kick it so you can’t tell me he didn’t know.

After playing South Africa I’m a bit sick of the time wasting they constantly pull at every lineout and scrum. So actually I think it’s good - get on with it!!

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Chris 797 days ago

I bet if Fozzie was on the receiving end in a RWC final he would sing a very different tune…

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ross 797 days ago

Unfortunately lost more respect for Foster. First he lets his hand picked coaches get canned, without taking responsibility as a leader should. Now he’s defending a refereeing decision that is unprecedented. Regardless of the accuracy of the call, we’ve never seen the like and hopefully don’t again. Disappointed that Fozzie is defending the ref after sliding into a victory thanks to the refs call. The ABs deserve better.

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matt 797 days ago

There should be a set time to take a penalty kick. Simplify it for everyone.

Agree with the call though

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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