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'He knows it, we know it, everyone knows it': Erasmus doesn't hide from Libbok problem

Manie Libbok of South Africa looks on as he walks out of the tunnel prior to the Rugby World Cup France 2023 match between South Africa and Ireland at Stade de France on September 23, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by Julian Finney - World Rugby/World Rugby via Getty Images)

Springboks Director of Rugby Rassie Erasmus isn’t shying away from the goal-kicking issue that plagued South Africa in the 13-8 loss to Ireland.

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Scrumhalf Faf de Klerk missed two attempts over 50 metres out while flyhalf Mannie Libbok finished one from three after missing the conversion on Cheslin Kolbe’s try and a mid-range penalty from the angle.

In the wake of the close loss Libbok’s performance has been put under the spotlight and calls for returning flyhalf Handre Pollard to take over have grown louder.

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Erasmus said Libbok is “clearly in trouble” with his goal kicking which “everyone knows about”.

“If you look at everything Manie can do… it’s a bit like Deon Fourie’s sideline throws,” Erasmus said.

“I think out of four touches he failed to throw a straight one, but the scrums went very well.

“Manie is clearly in trouble with his kicks on goal. He knows it, we know it, everyone knows it, everyone only talks about it.

“When Faf [de Klerk] went for a 55-yard penalty, he hit the post and it almost led to a try from us. Faf is very good on goal kicks, but he won’t always be on the pitch.

The former head coach confirmed that Pollard will play the next game against Tonga but reiterated that it is a slow process to get him back up to speed.

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Erasmus said his performance will dictate who gets the nod for a potential quarter-final.

“Handre will play this weekend, but we will first look at how he behaves in the game. How will he do on contacts?” he said.

“In addition, it will probably take him a little time to get back into the rhythm of his kicking game under pressure.

“The match against Tonga will be an excellent test for him, it will allow him to see where he is before considering the quarter-finals, if we go there, and deciding who will be on the field.

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“At the open, Manie is playing some excellent rugby at the moment, but the same cannot be said for his goal kicking.”

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With the loss South Africa are in line to play Pool A leaders France, but Erasmus wouldn’t be drawn into speculation how things would play out with Scotland still to play Ireland in Pool B.

He said the squad was just focused on getting out of the group and would “let fate decide” who they would play if that goal was achieved.

“We know it’s going to be difficult against Tonga, just like it’s going to be difficult for Ireland against Scotland, and that’s what will probably determine the group ranking,” he explained.

“Against Scotland, I was sure it would be a trap match, and that risks being the case for Ireland, and for us against Tonga.

“The important thing is to get out of the group. In my opinion, it would be a bit presumptuous to say whether we prefer to face France or New Zealand in the quarter-finals.

“We will let fate decide, because they are two formidable opponents.”

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Robert 546 days ago

Agree, Manie is an awesome player! yes he has flaws, so does other people.
i still think, drop DDA, Poly as 12 with CM at 13 along with Manie at 10.

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Mzilikazi 32 minutes ago
'Ulster, though no one wants to admit it, isn't much more than a development province right now.'

“I’d love to know the relevant numbers of who comes into professionalism from a club, say as an adult, versus early means like say pathway programmes “


Not sure where you would get that information, JW. But your question piqued my interest, and I looked at the background of some Ulster players. If you are interested/have the time, look at the Wiki site for Ulster rugby, and scroll down to the current squad, where you can then click on the individual players, and often there is good info. on their pathway to Ulster squad.


Not many come in from the AIL teams directly. Robert Baloucoune came from Enniskillen into the Ulster setup, but that was after he played Sevens for Ireland. Big standout missed in his school years is Stuart McCloskey, who never played for an age group team, and it was only after he showed good form playing for AIL team Dungannon, that he was eventually added late to Ulster Academy.


“I’m just thinking ahead. You know Ireland is going to come into the same predicament Aus is at where that next group of youngsters waiting to come into programmes get picked off by the French”


That is not happening with top young players in Ireland. I can’t think of a single example of one that has gone to a French club, or to any other country. But as you say, it could happen in the future.


What has happened to a limited extent is established Irish players moving offshore, but they are few. Jonathan Sexton had a spell with Racing in France…not very successful. Simon Zebo also went over to Racing. Trevor Brennan went to Toulouse, stayed there too, with his sons now playing in France, one at Toulouse, one at Toulon. And more recently the two tens, Joey Carbery to Bordueax, and Ben Healy to Edinburgh.


“I see they’ve near completed a double round robin worth of games, does that mean theres not much left in their season?”


The season finishes around mid April. Schools finish on St Patrick’s Day, 17 th Match. When I lived in Ireland, we had a few Sevens tournaments post season. But never as big a thing as in the Scottish Borders, where the short game was “invented”.

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Poorfour 1 hour ago
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So “it wasn’t foul play because it wasn’t foul play” is - to you - not only an acceptable answer but the only possible answer?


I would hope that the definition of foul play is clear enough that they can say “that wasn’t foul play - even though it resulted in a serious injury - because although player A did not wrap with the right arm, he entered the ruck through the gate and from a legal angle at a legal height, and was supporting his own weight until player B entered the ruck behind him and pushed him onto player C’s leg” or “that wasn’t foul play although players D and E picked player F out of a ruck, tipped him upside down and dropped him on his shoulder because reasons.”


Referees sometimes offer a clear explanation, especially when in discussion with the TMO, but they don’t always, especially for incidents that aren’t reviewed on field. It’s also a recognised flaw in the bunker system that there isn’t an explanation of the card decisions - I’d personally prefer the bunker to prepare a short package of the best angles and play back to the ref their reasoning, with the ref having the final say, like an enhanced TMO. It would cost a few more seconds, but would help the crowd to understand.


Greater clarity carries with it risks - not least that if the subsequent feedback is at odds with the ref’s decision they run the risk of harassment on social media - but rugby is really struggling to show that it can manage these decisions consistently, and offering a clear explanation after the fact would help to ensure better consistency in officiating in future.

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