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'He wants feedback... that's hugely infectious': The Borthwick effect at Leicester

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It’s starting to feel a bit like old times at Leicester for veteran scrum-half Ben Youngs. Sixth place in the Gallagher Premiership isn’t yet the title-threatening potency of yesteryear but that position with two rounds of the regular season remaining is a heck of a lot more acceptable than the derisory consecutive eleventh-place finishes in recent seasons. 

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Just seven of their 22 league games were won in 2019/20, a figure that dipped to six last term. Contrast that to this season’s ten wins from 20 (in reality it is nine wins from 18 when the two virus-cancellation results are excluded) in Borthwick’s first full campaign in charge. 

For sure it has been reinvigorating and while Youngs has been absent for a decent chunk of it due to the Test centurion’s England commitments, time away that has seen Leicester turn to veteran Richard Wigglesworth and youngster Jack van Poortvliet, his half-dozen league starts has been enough to appreciate the transformation that is underway with Borthwick at the helm. 

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The 31-year-old, who last month declared himself unavailable for 2021 Lions selection, would have somewhat known his new club boss from his England days, Borthwick serving as Eddie Jones’ assistant for five Six Nations campaigns and the run to the 2019 World Cup final, and Youngs is enjoying what he has experienced so far at Leicester even though he only started last month’s Challenge Cup final defeat to Montpellier from the bench.

“Internationally he obviously did the forwards, so I wouldn’t have a huge amount of time with him actually coaching one-on-one because he would be doing the pack,” explained Youngs when asked by RugbyPass at this week’s Leicester media briefing about his rapport with Borthwick.

“We would overlap and stuff but for me, he is a man that really drives standards, he’s a guy that wants to be successful, he wants feedback, he wants to get the best out of himself, the best out of others and that becomes hugely infectious. He is a guy that really wants to evolve each player and try to get the best out of them – what that looks like and how he goes about that from player to player is different depending on what their wants and needs are.

“And I just think he has come in and given us some clear direction and clear DNA about right, this is where we are going, this is how it is going to be done and this is how I am going to help you get there. Hopefully, you can help me and I can help you and we will all get on board and we’ll get after it and that is what we have done.”

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It might sound odd a fearsome-looking boss willingly asking for feedback, but Youngs and co have had no hesitation in stepping forward to make their views known. “That is what our job is,” he continued. “Coaches give you feedback and your job is to take that and do as you please with it, to hopefully do the right things with it. You have got to understand coaches see what we can’t see. They can sit in the stands, can see this and see that but they can never actually feel how you feel in the games.

“Let’s say I am keeping the ball for ten phases and we’re not going anywhere and he is in the stands going well, why are you keeping it for ten phases, you’re not going anywhere? Well, I’d say we are because of X, Y, Z, I feel he is dropping off that space, we’re putting fatigue in and that is where the conversation between a player and a coach is. They see what we can’t and we feel what they can’t and then you come to a solution, don’t you?”

Four points ahead of seventh-place London Irish and six points behind fifth-place Northampton, Leicester will finish out their Premiership campaign with this Saturday’s home game versus Bristol followed by a final day outing to Wasps. “Definitely we have come on a huge amount,” added Youngs, reflecting on the confidence-boosting campaign.

“There is no doubt. We have had to strip our game back and start from the fundamentals of our game which is set-piece, scrum, maul, lineout, being direct, kicking game, kicking strategy and all that. We have stripped it right back and I’m sure when we get a full pre-season we will layer on the next bit, layer the next part of our attack and how we put teams under pressure in a different way.

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“So for me, it has definitely been a success and I want to make sure the next two weeks don’t fizzle out. We want to attack the next two weeks and make sure we finish strong and go, yeah that has been a success. We did this, we did that. We played Bristol, this is where we were against them, we made the top six, we made Europe. There are plenty of things still for us to try and do but there is no doubt that definitely we have come on a huge amount under Steve in a short time.”

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JPM 2 hours ago
Forget Ireland, the All Blacks face the real alpha of Europe next

Unfortunately you don't know anything about French rugby, coaches and players but still making a lot of assumptions and judgements to push your prefabricated and simplistic point of view that Dupont is manipulating everything and is a bad guy. I am not a NZ rugby specialist and wouldn't dare make such theories about what is going on within the ABs team. Therefore my advice to you is to do like Dupont and stay humble when you don't know all the background of the issues !!!


Firstly if you knew a bit of Galthié, he is not the type of coach who is going to ask advice to his players and even his captain about team selection. He is as stubborn as you...


Second Ramos has played a lot of times as 10 with Toulouse and therefore Dupont (in particular when Ntamack is injured and unfortunately it has often happened recently and for long periods). He even played 10 during the last 3 games of the 2024 6N and this was far better performance than the first two games with Jalibert as 10.


Thirdly Jalibert lacked of respect to a La Rochelle player so your theory is once again out.


Fourth as I explained to you Galthié went for a 6-2 bench and Jalibert can only play 10 which doesn't fit that plan. Furthermore as 15 Buros is better under high balls than Ramos and everybody is prepared for a tactical kicking game.


So you can blame Galthié for a lot of things (as you clearly enjoy doing at the end of your post and you should be very happy as an AB fan) but certainly not Dupont. Sorry once more for your conspiracy theory.


And don't worry about potential disharmony in the French team; they are excellent mates around their captain. Jalibert is well known in the French rugby circles to have not a strong character (and we saw that in the WC quarter finals as he is very nervous in any decisive international game unlike Ntamack and Ramos as for his late penalty kick vs England this year).


In conclusion enjoy the game tmrw night. It is good that the ABs are very upset; we should watch a great game of rugby. I hope for running rugby and not too much kicking. With 5 key players injured on our side (Ntamack, Baille, Atonio, Cros and Penaud) and 2 on your side I and various French fans see you as favourites. I obviously hope for another result.


If you are interested you can read a good article in the Guardian on the subject of France-NZ games.

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KB 2 hours ago
The 'one difference' between Boks and the back-to-back All Blacks

Consistency hasnt been there they have many great players SA were also not unbeaten in the 2023 WC - NZ were in 2015 WC McCaw and Carter Nonu and Smith - SA did not have those Marque players in those postions in 2019 or 2023 - I wouldnt rank them ahead of the 20I5 ABs - They clocked up 60 points against France in the QF - Furthermore I do not believe for one moment SA won 2023 fairly no way - they were so favoured it became obvious that behind the scenes SA the nation bought the title - Their last 3 matches were won by a solitary point there were many contentious decisions that went their way that it became obvious it wasnt coincidence - Sport has been hijacked by a satanic cult just as is Politics

Some players coaches officials and sponsors are involved - they know who they are - its called Freemasonry - any sport that allows betting is corrupt - its not all about money either for these parasites its also about control - Lots of American NFL players have spoken openly about games being scripted - Football is also rigged Referees have been caught on film showing freemason hand signs - The 95 RWC final ranks as the highest and most obvious attempt at cheating There was no way SA were going to allow NZ to gate crash Nelson Mandelas reunification party - NZ were so good they had to posion almost the entire team to get a 3 point win - a Hollywood Movie ( theres your Red Flag ) was made about SAs triumph called Invictus


William Henley wrote a poem called Invictus


It starts


Out of the night that covers me BLACK ( All Blacks ) as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever GODS maybe for my unconquerable Soul ...( Olan says INVICTUS is an evil Malevolent entity who corrupted the Titans ... this is Mandelas double meaning speech ( hes a fraud ) - of thanks for helping overcome SA's adversary NZ - There is only ONE true God Yahuah - Only a false god would be complicit in Cheating Corruption and Harming others to win a RWC for a sick and sinful Nation ) the poem ends with


I am the CAPTAIN of my soul


SA will forever bear the stain of guilt and disgrace over their involvement in poisoning the ABs a day before the 95 RWC Final

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CO 2 hours ago
Forget Ireland, the All Blacks face the real alpha of Europe next

I cannot believe that you don't think the French rugby team coach and captain are not discussing putting Jalibert on the bench in favour of Duponts club teammate that doesn't even play at 10.


This is a terrible, massive insult to a 10 and I'm sure Dupont would also be very enraged if benched for a player that doesn't even play halfback.


A good captain would've insisted to the coach that it was an idea of madness and either select Jalibert or replace him with another 10 if you want him to be reserve.


Jalibert may not be the world's finest tacklers but that's often not a tens main strength that the loose forwards and second five cover. An intercept pass is never great but they happen.


When any player is playing for his club then it's club first, respect doesn't need to be shown to opposition players simply because they're internationals.


Who exactly are you claiming Jalibert hasn't respected? If it's Toulouse international players then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this bench demotion out.


The outcome of selecting Jalibert to the bench and he then throwing his croissants out the window of the team bus immediately prior to playing the Allblacks is a disaster that will be team disharmony as any team mates of Jalibert are in a state of anger and revolt so a performance that will be sub optimal against a team that is thirsting for revenge against France.


I don't know about you but the Allblacks are very upset they've lost twice in a row to France and want to put out a statement performance so this preparation by Galthie of creating havoc looks to me like a coach that is clueless.

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