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'He was shocking': The Rugby Pod's brutal verdict on Romain Poite's Wales vs England scrum decisions

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Former Scotland lock Jim Hamilton has lambasted French referee Romain Poite for his ineffective handling of the scrums in last Saturday’s Autumn Nations Cup match between England and Wales in Llanelli. The English won a dour struggle 24-13 that wasn’t helped by the frustrating set-piece ruling by the official from France.

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England boss Eddie Jones refused to comment, claiming he doesn’t assess referees in public after a match, but Wales coach Wayne Pivac wasn’t shy in giving Poite a piece of his mind, saying: “There were a number of penalties awarded at the scrum and, in some cases, wrongly. If a prop loses his footing and a scrum goes down, it is his fault. They got six points through that.”

Now, The Rugby Pod have got in on the act, criticising referee Poite for ruining what should have been a good Wales vs England spectacle and adding that more teams must adopt the Exeter tactic of the quick tap from free-kicks rather than being allowed to opt for a scrum, setting in train all over again the time-draining set-piece.

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“I thought he [Poite] was shocking,” said Hamilton, a veteran of 63 caps for the Scots between 2006 and 2015. “Genuinely. You look at the standard of players on show.

“We can talk about the physicality and maybe some law changes which we think might help, but ultimately you have got a referee that isn’t refereeing the game to the standard it needs to be reffed at.

“It’s going to be a difficult one to talk about. We can talk about the high tackle from Elliot Daly, we can talk about taking (Dan) Biggar out in the air as well. The big one for me is around the scrum because the reset saps the energy out of the spectator.

“Watching the game unfold, Romain Poite is making the wrong calls at the scrum. I’m not a scrum expert but I understand the scrums. I understand when there needs to be a reset. You can see when a prop slipped. You can see when players are trying to cheat, which they don’t do anymore because the players want it in and out mainly.

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“You will get a dominant scrum who will want to keep it in, but it’s very rare now that scrums get pulled down or there is a manipulation around it. The players want the game to move forward. I’m watching him referee the scrum, it was nothing worse than shocking.

“That is one thing we can talk about, what happens with all these scrum resets…. what I have really enjoyed is Exeter starting the trend of tap and go. Just go. That is one thing they need to take out, if there is a free-kick, forget the scrum, tap and go big fella, or if it’s defensively, give them a long arm, give them a penalty.”

Ex-England out-half Andy Goode, Hamilton’s show co-host, used to salivate over the scrum being the ideal attacking platform for a backline but feels that opportunity to exploit the space which exists at the set-piece is now lost.

“It’s the only time you have got eight players tied up from each team and you have got more space than when you are attacking against a solid defensive line that are just flying off the line. I used to love scrums and trying to formulate an attack to manipulate a defence,” he said.

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“Effectively a lot the time you can have all seven backs in a backs move from a left-hand side scrum coming up against four, four-and-a-half defenders. That is what a back should get excited but we are not being able to see that because scrums just aren’t being completed.

“It’s then going to a free-kick and resets and you’re right, referees like Romain Poite do not have a clue and I’m saying that as an Englishman, we got 95 per cent of the decisions going our way at the weekend. Imagine being Welsh and watching Romain Poite referee that game. I’m not taking anything away from England. We thoroughly deserved to win and it wouldn’t have changed anything, but he was brutal.”

 

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JW 4 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

In another recent article I tried to argue for a few key concept changes for EPCR which I think could light the game up in the North.


First, I can't remember who pointed out the obvious elephant in the room (a SA'n poster?), it's a terrible time to play rugby in the NH, and especially your pinnacle tournament. It's been terrible watching with seemingly all the games I wanted to watch being in the dark, hardly able to see what was going on. The Aviva was the only stadium I saw that had lights that could handle the miserable rain. If the global appeal is there, they could do a lot better having day games.


They other primary idea I thuoght would benefit EPCR most, was more content. The Prem could do with it and the Top14 could do with something more important than their own league, so they aren't under so much pressure to sell games. The quality over quantity approach.


Trim it down to two 16 team EPCR competitions, and introduce a third for playing amongst the T2 sides, or the bottom clubs in each league should simply be working on being better during the EPCR.


Champions Cup is made up of league best 15 teams, + 1, the Challenge Cup winner. Without a reason not to, I'd distribute it evenly based on each leauge, dividing into thirds and rounded up, 6 URC 5 Top14 4 English. Each winner (all four) is #1 rank and I'd have a seeding round or two for the other 12 to determine their own brackets for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. I'd then hold a 6 game pool, home and away, with consecutive of each for those games that involve SA'n teams. Preferrably I'd have a regional thing were all SA'n teams were in the same pool but that's a bit complex for this simple idea.


That pool round further finalises the seeding for knockout round of 16. So #1 pool has essentially duked it out for finals seeding already (better venue planning), and to see who they go up against 16, 15,etc etc. Actually I think I might prefer a single pool round for seeding, and introduce the home and away for Ro16, quarters, and semis (stuffs up venue hire). General idea to produce the most competitive matches possible until the random knockout phase, and fix the random lottery of which two teams get ranked higher after pool play, and also keep the system identical for the Challenge Cup so everthing is succinct. Top T2 side promoted from last year to make 16 in Challenge Cup

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JW 9 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I had a look at the wiki article again, it's all terribly old data (not that I'd see reason for much change in the case of SA).

Number Of Clubs:

1526

Registered+Unregistered Players:

651146

Number of Referees:

3460

Pre-teen Male Players:

320842

Pre-teen Female Player:

4522

Teen Male Player:

199213

Teen Female Player:

4906

Senior Male Player:

113174

Senior Female Player:

8489

Total Male Player:

633229

Total Female Player:

17917


So looking for something new as were more concerned with adults specifically, so I had a look at their EOY Financial Review.

The total number of clubs remains consistent, with a marginal increase of 1% from 1,161 to 1,167. 8.1.

A comparative analysis of verified data for 2022 and 2023 highlights a marginal decline of 1% in the number of female players, declining from 6,801 to 6,723. Additionally, the total number of players demonstrates an 8% decrease, dropping from 96,172 to 88,828.

So 80k+ adult males (down from 113k), but I'm not really sure when youth are involved with SAn clubs, or if that data is for some reason not being referenced/included. 300k male students however (200k in old wiki data).


https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2020/07/28/212ed9cf-cd61-4fa3-b9d4-9f0d5fb61116/P56-57-Participation-Map_v3.pdf has France at 250k registered but https://presse-europe1-fr.translate.goog/exclu-europe-1-le-top-10-des-sports-les-plus-pratiques-en-france-en-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp has them back up at 300k registered.


The French number likely Students + Club, but everyone collects data different I reckon. In that WR pdf for instance a lot of the major nations have a heavily registered setup, were as a nation like England can penetrate into a lot more schools to run camps and include them in the reach of rugby. For instance the SARU release says only 29% of schools are reached by proper rugby programs, where as the 2million English number would be through a much much higer penetration I'd imagine. Which is thanks to schools having the ability to involve themselves in programs more than anything.


In any case, I don't think you need to be concerned with the numbers, whether they are 300 or 88k, there is obviously a big enough following for their pro scenes already to have enough quality players for a 10/12 team competition. They appear ibgger than France but I don't really by the lower English numbers going around.

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