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‘He’s freakish’: The Dallaglio vs Vunipola Immortals XV verdict

(Graphic by BT Sport)

Eleven Gallagher Premiership players have had their say on whether Billy Vunipola or Lawrence Dallaglio should be selected on the BT Sport Immortals XV team. The sports broadcaster has been getting fans to select their Immortals XV before the selection culminates in a round-table debate show on May 27 featuring Ugo Monye, Dallaglio, Ben Kay and Austin Healey.

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Marcos Ayerza, Schalk Brits, Martin Castrogiovanni, Maro Itoje, Martin Johnson, Joe Worsley and Neil Back have all topped fan polls in recent days and with a vote for the No8 position currently taking place online, BT Sport have now added the views of numerous high profile current players to the past versus present debate.

Saracens’ Jamie George, who came second to Brits in the vote at hooker, said: “Vunipola. Dallalgio was obviously an unbelievable player who won a lot, but so has Billy. He is just an all-round package – I don’t think there are many better.”

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Bath’s Charlie Ewels, who is currently in South Africa chasing match fitness with the Currie Cup Bulls, added: “Just because I played with him, I would go with Billy. I have watched Lawrence and watched him dominate as he did, but I played with Billy and have seen it first-hand. I felt it.”

Sale No10 George Ford reckoned specialist No8 Vunipola even has the skills to play in the back line. “Vunipola. I just think the impact Billy has on the game, especially against the packs and the players he plays against these days who are as big and as powerful as him, his consistency in the way he does it. With Billy’s skillset, he could be a back as well, so he is the best of ball players really.”

Harlequins’ scrum-half Danny Care was conflicted by having to choose between Vunipola and Dallaglio. “It’s so hard, so hard,” he pleaded. “The game is different. I don’t think I can split them. Both of them are incredible and were incredible in their time. Playing together, that would be a hell of a back row.”

Final thoughts to Alex Goode, the Saracens full-back. “With the way the game has gone, for Billy to do what he has done, not just the pure physicality but how many carries he makes and then ball playing off the back of that and how he had developed, he is freakish.

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“If you ask any teams we play, they mention that when Billy is not playing the relief… he is a difference-maker. I’m a bit biased. Both are world-class but I can’t sit on the fence, so I am going to go prime Billy Vunipola because of how he has taken his game to another level.”

  • BT Sport’s Premiership Immortals celebrates the greatest players in the history of Premiership Rugby. From May 4 until the Premiership final on May 27, fans will be able to have their say on who they think deserves to have a spot in the competition’s all-time team. Cast your vote btsport.com/immortals
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Trevor 589 days ago

Every GB player rates Billy, and over here he reins, but unlike LOL, I have never seen him dominate in an international like LOL. Against the Boks or current French or Irish he's predictable and easily neutralised. The All Blacks have admitted to rating few Englishmen, LOL was one. Alongside Back and Hill the best trio '03 is proof.

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GrahamVF 57 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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