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How 'a dumb play or two' could have hurt Jonny Hill with England

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Jonny Hill was the big-name casualty on Tuesday evening when Steve Borthwick trimmed his England squad from 36 to 29 ahead of this Saturday’s Guinness Six Nations opener at home to Scotland. The 28-year-old lock, who joined Sale from Exeter for the 2022/23 club season, had been a firm favourite under Eddie Jones, Borthwick’s predecessor as England boss.

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For instance, he started all seven of Jones’ last games in charge, returning for the July 2022 tour to Australia and continuing to be a first-choice Autumn Nations Series pick in a year that had started with him missing the entire Six Nations through a high ankle injury.

Hill now finds himself out of the England picture again with the latest Six Nations campaign set to start at Twickenham and how he reacts to his release by Borthwick will be interesting.

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There was some media criticism of the second row for his concession of three penalties in the November finale loss to the Springboks, and his indiscipline was again commented on when Sale were knocked out of the Heineken Champions Cup with their January 21 loss at Ulster.

It was something that Sale boss Alex Sanderson referenced in his media briefing last week ahead of the league win over Bath, the upside and the downside of players such as Hill being so heavily involved in hectic contests. The DoR admitted that his player had made a couple of dumb plays in Belfast, an observation that also referenced Hill’s reportedly gigantic tackle count on the night.

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Asked about the discipline of some of his senior players, including Hill, in being guilty of putting Sale in positions they didn’t want to be in during that European match in Ireland, Sanderson replied at the time: “Discipline, you are talking about Jonny, he made a dumb play or two that had a huge momentum swing in the game – I think you are referring to a penalty around the 50th minute, 55th minute where we struggled to get out of our half.

“That is on the back of him making 28 tackles which is a record since 2017 so I have heard. You can’t say that is alright because he makes 28 tackles, but all that intensity has to be controlled, the physicality has to be underpinned by decent discipline and the more dominant you are, and that was one of our less physically dominant performances that we have had, the more pressure you are under, the more likely you are going to make poorly decision and you fall across that line into indiscipline.

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“So there are two ways of looking at it. If you are overthinking, you’re losing intensity. If you’re not dominant physically through your set-piece or through some of your collisions, then you run that risk of being on the back foot and trying to make a play rather than let defensive systems and physicality take care of it.

“So it’s how you picture it really. Everyone talks about discipline and you automatically think of the negative where if you do the good things better it doesn’t even come into it.”

Hill was one of two Sale forwards released by Borthwick after a week and a half preparing for the England round one Six Nations game, their first outing with the ex-Leicester boss now in charge in place of Jones. The Toulouse-based Jack Willis was also cut as was Leicester prop Joe Heyes. The three backs omitted were Northampton’s Alex Mitchell, Leicester’s Guy Porter and Harlequins’ Cadan Murley.

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JW 5 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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