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Why England's infamous celebrations might actually be holding them back

Freddie Steward of England reacts during the Rugby World Cup France 2023 match between England and Japan at Stade de Nice on September 17, 2023 in Nice, France. (Photo by Paul Harding/Getty Images)

Whether the England team sat down one day and decided to overegg their celebratory pudding or whether it happened organically may never be known, but they surely never expected it would evoke such outcry far and wide.

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The more it has become their ‘thing’, the more the England players have seemingly played up to it, and, in turn, have been questioned on it, with the general responses being that it galvanises and uplifts the team. While most of the criticism seems to be based on the fact that people find it annoying, some critics like Sir Clive Woodward have delved a little deeper and have pointed out that it hinders England’s decision-making, as winning a penalty is when players should be assessing what to do next.

But former England fly-half Danny Cipriani went a step further recently and suggested that this approach from England could actually be affecting their playing, chiefly their spluttering attack.

Saturday was only the second time under Steve Borthwick that England have managed to score four tries in a match, and they had to wait until Joe Marchant crossed the whitewash in the final play of the game to achieve that feat. Joining the Rugby World Cup 2023 Official Podcast recently, Cipriani said that England’s trademark celebrations are indicative of how they are not composed when they attack.

While it was during August that many took notice of this ploy from England, ex Ireland flanker Stephen Ferris said on the podcast that this trait has been part of this team’s DNA for a while now, saying it predates Ben Earl, who has been pinpointed as celebrator-in-chief.

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“I follow Ben Earl, he is an unbelievable player,” Ferris said. “But it sort of started before Earl came into the team, it used to be Maro [Itoje]. I get it, celebrate the moments.”

Cipriani added: “When you see the way they attack, England have a lot of individually talented players but they are knocking the ball on, slightly off timing with runs, all of that stuff is happening at the moment. If you are emotionally so charged that you are like ‘yeah’, when does that ever calm down for you to make a good decision or run a good line or be involved in the game to engage in the present moment, if you are so charged up like that?

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“You don’t see your [Brodie] Retallicks or [Ardie] Saveas behaving in that way because they are very calm and cool under pressure. I’m not saying there’s a right and a wrong, but you need to know your balance within that. If you’re going to be like that, you still need to have some composure to you in how you’re going to play. It can’t all be one speed, otherwise you’re not going to catch the ball.”

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mjp89 455 days ago

In fairness it's not like England have many tries or wins to celebrate, so let them have something.

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matt 456 days ago

I did notice Smith was really charged up coming on, which is not something I'd want to see out of a 10/15 who needs to be calm and collected to identify opportunities not chomping at the bit to prove himself.

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Mark 456 days ago

Let's face it , winning a scrum/ lineout penalty is probably the sole ambition of englands game plan currently

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BigMaul 456 days ago

“with the general responses being that it galvanises and uplifts the team.”

Really? Is that the general response? Or just what the muppets in the England squad parrot? From my experience the general response is that they’re behaving like a bunch of kids. It’s pathetic and needs to be stopped. Personally I would like to see it penalised. And I’m an England fan. Enough is enough.

And by the way, obviously it predates Earl and has been going on for years… do the writers here even watch rugby? It’s a Saracens thing. They’ve been doing it for about 10 years. Right around the time they stared winning by cheating. And then they imported it into England.

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JW 32 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Like I've said before about your idea (actually it might have been something to do with mine, I can't remember), I like that teams will a small sustainable league focus can gain the reward of more consistent CC involvement. I'd really like the most consistent option available.


Thing is, I think rugby can do better than footballs version. I think for instance I wanted everyone in it to think they can win it, where you're talking about the worst teams not giving up because they are so far off the pace we get really bad scoreline when that and giving up to concentrate on the league is happening together.


So I really like that you could have a way to remedy that, but personally I would want my model to not need that crutch. Some of this is the same problem that football has. I really like the landscape in both the URC and Prem, but Ireland with Leinster specifically, and France, are a problem IMO. In football this has turned CL pool stages in to simply cash cow fixtures for the also ran countries teams who just want to have a Real Madrid or ManC to lose to in their pool for that bumper revenue hit. It's always been a comp that had suffered for real interest until the knockouts as well (they might have changed it in recent years?).


You've got some great principles but I'm not sure it's going to deliver on that hard hitting impact right from the start without the best teams playing in it. I think you might need to think about the most minimal requirement/way/performance, a team needs to execute to stay in the Champions Cup as I was having some thougt about that earlier and had some theory I can't remember. First they could get entry by being a losing quarter finalist in the challenge, then putting all their eggs in the Champions pool play bucket in order to never finish last in their pool, all the while showing the same indifference to their league some show to EPCR rugby now, just to remain in champions. You extrapolate that out and is there ever likely to be more change to the champions cup that the bottom four sides rotate out each year for the 4 challenge teams? Are the leagues ever likely to have the sort of 'flux' required to see some variation? Even a good one like Englands.


I'd love to have a table at hand were you can see all the outcomes, and know how likely any of your top 12 teams are going break into Champions rubyg on th back it it are?

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fl 3 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Right, so even if they were the 4 worst teams in Champions Cup, you'd still have them back by default?"

I think (i) this would literally never happen, (ii) it technically couldn't quite happen, given at least 1 team would qualify via the challenge cup, so if the actual worst team in the CC qualified it would have to be because they did really well after being knocked down to the challenge cup.

But the 13th-15th teams could qualify and to be fair I didn't think about this as a possibility. I don't think a team should be able to qualify via the Champions Cup if they finish last in their group.


Overall though I like my idea best because my thinking is, each league should get a few qualification spots, and then the rest of the spots should go to the next best teams who have proven an ability to be competitive in the champions cup. The elite French clubs generally make up the bulk of the semi-final spots, but that doesn't (necessarily) mean that the 5th-8th best French clubs would be competitive in a slimmed down champions cup. The CC is always going to be really great competition from the semis onwards, but the issue is that there are some pretty poor showings in the earlier rounds. Reducing the number of teams would help a little bit, but we could improve things further by (i) ensuring that the on-paper "worst" teams in the competition have a track record of performing well in the CC, and (ii) by incentivising teams to prioritise the competition. Teams that have a chance to win the whole thing will always be incentivised to do that, but my system would incentivise teams with no chance of making the final to at least try to win a few group stage matches.


"I'm afraid to say"

Its christmas time; there's no need to be afraid!

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