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'I don't think Saracens' relegation changes the dynamics... it's about Quins moving up the league'

Harlequins' Brett Herron (Photo by Steve Bardens/Getty Images)

When it comes to rugby cakewalks, there seems to be nothing easier than the relegated side from the English Premiership bouncing straight back up. The numbers are stark. In the last four and a half seasons, the relegated clubs have suffered just six defeats in 103 Championship outings. 

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Bristol and London Irish have twice laid waste to the second tier, the former winning 45 from 48 and the latter 43 from 46 in their respective promotion processions.

With Newcastle now already nine wins from nine in their hiatus year away from the Premiership limelight, you can bet your house – or at least one of those that Nigel Wray co-invested with his stars that got him in salary cap trouble – that Saracens will likely go 22 wins from 22 when they have their turn slumming it down in the nether regions.

Brett Herron will be hoping it somehow won’t be all so easy-peasy. He faces Saracens this Sunday from the Harlequins bench as their demoted London rivals begin a 14-game farewell to the Premiership. But he knows from recent experience what it means to one of the unfancied second-tier clubs to cause a rare upset. 

It was nearly 15 months ago – November 2018 – when London Irish arrived on Jersey for what they presumed would be a comfortable island pitstop on their return to the Prem, but it didn’t turn out that way.

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“That was a (happy) memory that is hard to forget,” enthused Herron to RugbyPass, reflecting on the 17-14 ambush that was a rare one in the eye for big-hitters on the Discover England circuit that exists in the shadows compared to the Premiership’s ticker-tape high profile. “It was in the 82nd, 83rd minute that we scored the try that got us the victory. It was a massive high for us.

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“They [Saracens] will have certain challenges they need to face,” he added, referencing the contrasting differences that exist between grounds and infrastructure in the Championship compared to the Premiership.

Herron’s Jersey, ultimately, were never a serious threat to London Irish’s promotion, but the adventure was the leg-up the out-half needed to accelerate his own career. Having had his development plagued by injury at Bath, the 24-year-old had an unfulfilled two-year detour at Ulster before island life came calling.

 

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“It was maybe just the wrong time for me to be there,” he conceded, reflecting on a stint in Belfast that coincided with the bottom falling out Les Kiss era around the same time the brand-damaging Paddy Jackson/Stuart Olding saga was unfolding. 

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“I wanted to experience a different league and a different set-up just purely because of the injuries (at Bath). I just needed a fresh start and Ulster were kind enough to allow me that opportunity.”

There were just eight appearances in 24 months, none as a starter, so the need to take a step back to go forward became imperative. One soaraway Championship season became enough to convince Quins boss Paul Gustard to offer a two-year deal and a gateway back into the big time. 

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Stuart Lancaster (right) and Andy Farrell (left) with England academy players Maro Itoje, Anthony Watson, Brett Herron and Kyle Sinckler in 2012 (Photo by Tom Dulat/Getty Images)

“My year at Jersey was an absolutely great move. Development-wise it really helped me continue to build my game,” he explained, reflecting on the circuitous route that now had him chosen on the Stoop bench this Sunday for a league derby with so much chatter surrounding it due to Saracens’ salary cap controversy. 

A veteran like Harlequins skipper Chris Robshaw has no trouble calling out his London rivals – he did so for instance in the company of RugbyPass when Saracens had the cheek not to appear at this season’s European Cup launch in Cardiff.

However, a newbie like Herron is more aware of the need to mind his Ps and Qs heading into what is primed to be a spicy affair given there has often been a level of on-field needle anyway in these derbies. 

“It’s not our place to say or my place to say,” he said when quizzed about Saracens’ crisis. “I don’t know much of what has been spoken about or happened beyond closed doors. For us it is just about the London derby and we know regardless of their off-field stuff on the field they are an absolutely quality side.

“It’s about trying to front up and continue the momentum that we built against Clermont and put that onto the pitch and perform against Saracens… I don’t think it [Saracens’ relegation] changes the dynamics for us. For is it is about moving up the league. Regardless of who we face on a weekend, we want to win. We want to keep adding to our points and keep pushing for that top-four spot.”

Herron sure wants to play his part. He has started three Champions Cup pool matches at No10, scoring a belter solo try last weekend against French opposition, but he has yet to get this shirt in the league, his stints off the bench instead coming in the difficult circumstances of his team being well beaten away at Northampton and Sale. 

“It is (awkward) but at the same time there is nothing holding you back going in and playing the game, trying to turn things around for the team,” he suggested, reflecting on the cards he has been dealt. “It’s about making those positive impacts while on, trying to get the tries, trying to get the points back in our favour.

“It’s just about being patient and when those opportunities come, try and make the most of them,” he said, explaining what attracted him to the club. “Having two young 10s, me and Marcus (Smith), there together was something that appealed to me because we could bounce off each other.

“There was the fact that Nick Evans was going to be part of the attack and someone you can mine their knowledge and experience, and a big part of it was the location because it is where my family and a lot of my friends are. It was finding the best mix off and on the field so that I’m going to be happy and won’t be too isolated.

“The areas I’m trying to build on is the management side of things, putting us in the right area as well as just recognising when it is on for us as backs, to step up and play with ball in hand… that is the thing I’m continuously trying to improve, as well as keeping up and making my first-up hits.

“I watch a spectrum of out-halves and the main two would be (Jonny) Wilkinson and Dan Carter. I still watch the videos of them in games to this day leading into games. 

“Other players I watched a lot of were people like Matt Giteau, Finn Russell, Owen Farrell, George Ford, (Danny) Cipriani, Beauden Barrett, some of the best 10s in the world who inspire you. You see how they handle certain situations in games and you put yourself in those situations. Studying film of them really helps you implement certain aspects into your own game.”

It was in his native South Africa when Herron first took up the sport before work brought the family to England where his dad is from. “I had started played tag rugby back in South Africa. I remember quite vividly it was always bare foot and it was a lot of fun.

“That is where my love for it started to form and when I came over here, it being such a big part of the English way as well, it was something that continued to push me and the more I played the more I fell in love with the game.”

A game grubbily brought into disrepute in recent times by Sunday’s opponents Saracens.

WATCH: RugbyPass travel to South Africa for this episode of Rugby Explorer – Jim Hamilton explores the stunning cities of Cape Town and Porth Elizabeth and meets the local rugby communities

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JPM 1 hour ago
Forget Ireland, the All Blacks face the real alpha of Europe next

Unfortunately you don't know anything about French rugby, coaches and players but still making a lot of assumptions and judgements to push your prefabricated and simplistic point of view that Dupont is manipulating everything and is a bad guy. I am not a NZ rugby specialist and wouldn't dare make such theories about what is going on within the ABs team. Therefore my advice to you is to do like Dupont and stay humble when you don't know all the background of the issues !!!


Firstly if you knew a bit of Galthié, he is not the type of coach who is going to ask advice to his players and even his captain about team selection. He is as stubborn as you...


Second Ramos has played a lot of times as 10 with Toulouse and therefore Dupont (in particular when Ntamack is injured and unfortunately it has often happened recently and for long periods). He even played 10 during the last 3 games of the 2024 6N and this was far better performance than the first two games with Jalibert as 10.


Thirdly Jalibert lacked of respect to a La Rochelle player so your theory is once again out.


Fourth as I explained to you Galthié went for a 6-2 bench and Jalibert can only play 10 which doesn't fit that plan. Furthermore as 15 Buros is better under high balls than Ramos and everybody is prepared for a tactical kicking game.


So you can blame Galthié for a lot of things (as you clearly enjoy doing at the end of your post and you should be very happy as an AB fan) but certainly not Dupont. Sorry once more for your conspiracy theory.


And don't worry about potential disharmony in the French team; they are excellent mates around their captain. Jalibert is well known in the French rugby circles to have not a strong character (and we saw that in the WC quarter finals as he is very nervous in any decisive international game unlike Ntamack and Ramos as for his late penalty kick vs England this year).


In conclusion enjoy the game tmrw night. It is good that the ABs are very upset; we should watch a great game of rugby. I hope for running rugby and not too much kicking. With 5 key players injured on our side (Ntamack, Baille, Atonio, Cros and Penaud) and 2 on your side I and various French fans see you as favourites. I obviously hope for another result.


If you are interested you can read a good article in the Guardian on the subject of France-NZ games.

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KB 2 hours ago
The 'one difference' between Boks and the back-to-back All Blacks

Consistency hasnt been there they have many great players SA were also not unbeaten in the 2023 WC - NZ were in 2015 WC McCaw and Carter Nonu and Smith - SA did not have those Marque players in those postions in 2019 or 2023 - I wouldnt rank them ahead of the 20I5 ABs - They clocked up 60 points against France in the QF - Furthermore I do not believe for one moment SA won 2023 fairly no way - they were so favoured it became obvious that behind the scenes SA the nation bought the title - Their last 3 matches were won by a solitary point there were many contentious decisions that went their way that it became obvious it wasnt coincidence - Sport has been hijacked by a satanic cult just as is Politics

Some players coaches officials and sponsors are involved - they know who they are - its called Freemasonry - any sport that allows betting is corrupt - its not all about money either for these parasites its also about control - Lots of American NFL players have spoken openly about games being scripted - Football is also rigged Referees have been caught on film showing freemason hand signs - The 95 RWC final ranks as the highest and most obvious attempt at cheating There was no way SA were going to allow NZ to gate crash Nelson Mandelas reunification party - NZ were so good they had to posion almost the entire team to get a 3 point win - a Hollywood Movie ( theres your Red Flag ) was made about SAs triumph called Invictus


William Henley wrote a poem called Invictus


It starts


Out of the night that covers me BLACK ( All Blacks ) as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever GODS maybe for my unconquerable Soul ...( Olan says INVICTUS is an evil Malevolent entity who corrupted the Titans ... this is Mandelas double meaning speech ( hes a fraud ) - of thanks for helping overcome SA's adversary NZ - There is only ONE true God Yahuah - Only a false god would be complicit in Cheating Corruption and Harming others to win a RWC for a sick and sinful Nation ) the poem ends with


I am the CAPTAIN of my soul


SA will forever bear the stain of guilt and disgrace over their involvement in poisoning the ABs a day before the 95 RWC Final

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CO 2 hours ago
Forget Ireland, the All Blacks face the real alpha of Europe next

I cannot believe that you don't think the French rugby team coach and captain are not discussing putting Jalibert on the bench in favour of Duponts club teammate that doesn't even play at 10.


This is a terrible, massive insult to a 10 and I'm sure Dupont would also be very enraged if benched for a player that doesn't even play halfback.


A good captain would've insisted to the coach that it was an idea of madness and either select Jalibert or replace him with another 10 if you want him to be reserve.


Jalibert may not be the world's finest tacklers but that's often not a tens main strength that the loose forwards and second five cover. An intercept pass is never great but they happen.


When any player is playing for his club then it's club first, respect doesn't need to be shown to opposition players simply because they're internationals.


Who exactly are you claiming Jalibert hasn't respected? If it's Toulouse international players then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this bench demotion out.


The outcome of selecting Jalibert to the bench and he then throwing his croissants out the window of the team bus immediately prior to playing the Allblacks is a disaster that will be team disharmony as any team mates of Jalibert are in a state of anger and revolt so a performance that will be sub optimal against a team that is thirsting for revenge against France.


I don't know about you but the Allblacks are very upset they've lost twice in a row to France and want to put out a statement performance so this preparation by Galthie of creating havoc looks to me like a coach that is clueless.

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