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'I don't think Steve Borthwick would pick Jack Willis even if he's playing in England'

Jack Willis of Toulouse takes part in the warm up prior to the Investec Champions Cup match between Harlequins and Stade Toulousain at Twickenham Stoop on December 17, 2023 in London, England. (Photo by David Rogers/Getty Images)

England’s results over the past month have left many wondering whether the narrow losses would have turned into wins with the addition of their overseas players.

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Owen Farrell, Jack Willis and Kyle Sinckler are just three players that may have been able to boost England’s fortunes, but are ineligible to do so currently while playing in the Top 14.

But former England scrum-half Danny Care is not convinced that the French-based players would improve Steve Borthwick’s side, and has asserted that Toulouse’s domestic and European double winner Willis would not even be selected as he does not think he’s the England head coach’s “type of player”.

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Care is a staunch believer that England should only pick players who are playing in the Gallagher Premiership, and while he thinks they could “learn from different environments,” he’s not entirely certain the current crop overseas would boost the national side.

The 101-cap Englishman discussed whether England would be a better team if they picked overseas players with his former Harlequins and England team-mate Mike Brown on the ‘Debatable’ segment of his Hits Different podcast.

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“It’s an interesting debate,” the 37-year-old said. “I just always sit on the side of the fence that if you want to play for England, there are enough clubs over here that you can play.

“Right now, currently, I wouldn’t have any of the players that are playing outside England in the England squad.

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“I think people could learn from different environments; playing abroad I think has done wonders for South Africa, they’ve opened the doors up. I just think that the coaches we have at the Premiership clubs – we’ve still got 10 Premiership clubs – there should be good enough coaches and good enough coaching to get the best out of England players playing in England, having more access to them.

“I do feel that it could help them – you look at Blair Kinghorn for Scotland playing for Toulouse, brilliant. I don’t Steve Borthwick would pick Jack Willis even if he was playing in England, I don’t think he’s his type of player.

“If they opened the doors and said ‘go and play anywhere you want,’ my problem with that would be everyone would leave and then the Premiership needs superstars.

“I think the Premiership’s standard, as a whole, is down to what it used to be. I think the foreign superstars, they’ve headed back – the [Semi] Radradras, the [Charles] Piutaus, the [Andre] Esterhuizens – there’s not that many of them that are coming over here anymore. I think if you let the English lads go as well, then the Premiership’s standard’s going to go way down. Japan would be flooded with them.”

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While Brown leaned towards agreeing with Care that the RFU’s current overseas policy should be upheld in order to avoid damaging the quality of the Premiership, he maintains that England would be boosted by their Top 14 contingent.

“If we’re talking about performance, as in they are potentially going to win more games, they’ll have a bigger pool of players and some of those players that are over there can add to the squad which potentially might affect their performance in a positive way,” the Leicester Tigers full-back said.

“I don’t agree with them dropping the rule or not, I’m just solely looking at a performance side or not.

“I’m thinking of Sink [Kyle Sinckler]. He could definitely add to the squad. I wouldn’t say in his position they’ve got an embarrassment of riches at the moment. There are other players as well. Faz [Owen Farrell] would add if he could do both.

“I’m not saying the rule is right or wrong, but if they allowed it, it could potentially make it better in terms of performance.”

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DP 30 days ago

Willis

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Earl


As good as any backrow on the planet.

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Tom 30 days ago

In terms of player quality, that is a phenomenal backrow. In terms of balance, not so much. Lacks a heavyweight ball carrier and a lineout option. I'm sure they'd still cause havoc though.

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JW 5 hours ago
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I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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