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'I don't think we've ever had anybody who's left us as a star player that ever came back'

The Dragons during their heavy defeat to Saints

When Paul Turner was Dragons head coach he would often commute to Gwent from his family home in St Albans, in the south-east of England.

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Those familiar with the journey will know that as the M4 motorway winds towards the River Severn, cars are taken over the crest of a hill and a view of South Wales stretches before them. From this vantage point Turner felt empowered to solve his region’s ills.

“But the nearer I got to the Severn Bridge there used to always be a big, black cloud that appeared over everything,” he told RugbyPass.

“I just used to drive head-on into that… [when you’re] driving around, you can reflect and get your priorities and think what you’re going to do.

“But as soon as I got there, it was things I just couldn’t even attempt to solve.”

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It is almost eight years since Turner’s acrimonious departure from Rodney Parade. In his final full season, the Dragons beat Leinster, Munster and Ulster at home to finish six points off a place in the end-of-season play-offs.

Turner was named Magners League Coach of the Season. “I felt at the time we punched above our weight,” he said. “It’s something that you’ve seen wither away over the last couple of years and it’s just given fuel to the people who are anti-regional rugby.”

Dragons supporters yearn for the days in which they won their home games and were competitive on the road, and this week the skies above the region’s Caerphilly training base remained as gloomy as ever.

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Bernard Jackman, the region’s fourth head coach since 2011, was relieved of his duties by chairman David Buttress on Monday evening, less than 18 months into a three-year contract.

Heavy defeats to a below-strength Leinster and Northampton in the past fortnight proved particularly damaging, but his fate was ultimately sealed by a return of just 11 wins, and 31 defeats, in 44 matches in charge.

Club stalwart Lewis Evans (Photo by Stu Forster/Getty Images)

It would be almost impossible for a coach in any sport to keep their job with a win ratio of just 25 per cent. But debate surrounding the Dragons will always be more nuanced given the size of budget, the 2017 takeover by the Welsh Rugby Union (WRU) and its struggle to galvanise a disparate supporter base in Gwent.

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Jackman had made some headway in that last regard, getting out into the county to visit clubs in an attempt to foster closer links and support for the rebranded region.

That work could not save him from the sack but there was genuine shock among the playing group when they were gathered together to be told the news by Buttress on Tuesday morning.

“Bernard has done so much good in the region, he’s really kicked us on and moved us forward,” Dragons captain Cory Hill said this week.

“Personally, I think I’ve come on leaps and bounds on and off the pitch under Bernard.”

Jackman, whose successor will inherit the lowest budget of the four Welsh regions, put pressure on himself almost immediately by stating his was a three-year plan and then urging fans to reserve judgment until this season during a disappointing first campaign.

Bernard Jackman (Photo by Harry Trump/Getty Images)

This term the Dragons sit just a point off the bottom of Conference B despite relatively significant investment in the off-season. Their defence – which has shipped 156 points in the last three matches – is the third most-porous in the PRO14 and having accounted for coach Hendre Marnitz last month it did for the man who hired him too.

It was not an easy decision for Buttress, but as he finalises the appointment of a new head coach, expected on Monday, the ambitious chairman will know the region’s problems are not confined to the man charged with picking the team.

Dragons players have had a busy week. News of Jackman’s departure was delivered 24 hours before a meeting that outlined the WRU’s new wage structure as part of Project Reset, the name given to the new Professional Rugby Agreement between the union and the four regions.

Under the new deal, which rewards regions for success on and off the pitch as well as the number of players in Wales squads, the WRU-owned Dragons will continue to operate on a budget of around £6 million.

That is about £1m less than each of the other three Welsh regions, and means that recruitment is paramount – especially with Wales wing Hallam Amos set to leave Rodney Parade when his contract expires at the end of the season.

It is an area in which the Dragons have struggled recently, despite an influx of 14 players last summer. Ross Moriarty, a fine player, increasingly important for Wales and at 24 someone the region can build a team around, was the headline acquisition.

But there does seem a certain folly to paying him marquee money when your squad already includes Ollie Griffiths, Aaron Wainwright, Harrison Keddie and Nic Cudd – and you are crying out for an experienced fly-half.

“Realistically the back row is one of our areas of big strength,” Ryan Price, treasurer of the Dragons Official Supporters’ Club (DOSC), told RugbyPass.

“So, you could argue that actually spending 10 per cent of your wage bill on a player like Moriarty when you could have invested in, for example, a 10 – there is financial sense to that.”

It is understandable, as Price noted, that the new board would want to sign the biggest name they possibly could. It is telling, though, that they were unable to attract a player in the one position they so desperately crave.

Despite their struggles on the pitch, the Dragons have proved adept at developing players for Wales, providing six players for Warren Gatland’s squad last month. The future looks promising too with their under-18s side currently unbeaten this season.

It is building depth of experienced players in their prime that has proved difficult. For Turner, who has watched from afar since leaving in 2011, it is an issue that none of the players who made their name at Rodney Parade – Dan Lydiate, Taulupe Faletau and Luke Charteris among them – have been minded to return.

Faletau on the charge in 2011 (Photo by Michael Steele/Getty Images)

“I don’t think we’ve ever really had anybody who’s left us as a star player that ever came back and in good shape,” he said. “That to me poses a huge question mark over your organisation.”

One way to make the Dragons a more attractive prospect to players and fans alike is through success on the pitch.

But as interim head coach Ceri Jones admitted this week, the region finds itself in a “chicken and egg” situation in this regard.

The Dragons missed out on increased funding at the start of the current season as the WRU used the money to plug existing financial holes.

Driving new revenue streams is therefore a priority for both the union and the region’s board, central to which is the redevelopment of the north end of Rodney Parade and the cabbage patch training pitch that sits behind it.

Buttress doubled down on his plans to upgrade the current terrace while building a hotel, offices, conference facilities and a restaurant on the site at a DOSC event last month but the question of whether investment drives results, or vice versa, remains.

That is a pertinent query with work yet to start on the project and the potential six figure annual benefits still a way from being realised.

In light of Jackman’s sacking it is clear that performances on the pitch need to be far more tangible. “We need to have the results to galvanise the region so we need to put our best foot forward to produce performances that the region are proud of,” Jones said.

Connacht provide an example of a club where success on the pitch – in their case winning the PRO12 in 2016 – has driven development off it.

A PRO14 title for the Dragons would be a fairytale to rank alongside Leicester City’s Premier League success. No-one expects such a miracle but a competitive team is vital if the dark clouds that confronted Turner are ever to clear.

“If you look across the board, it’s success that drives engagement, that drives attendances, that in turn drives the commercial revenue side of things – which in turn drives success,” Price said.

Victory over Cardiff Blues in the first of the three festive regional derbies on Friday night would be a good place for the new coach to start.

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RedWarrior 24 minutes ago
Three-way race to be number one in World Rugby men's rankings

IF SA and NZ win then its 1,2,3 SA/NZ/IRL Otherwise as you were. This is largely irrelevant beyond bragging rights.


As I have pointed out elsewhere the practical use of the Rankings is to determine the seedings bands for the RWC draw. The draw takes place early 2026 and hopefully the rankings will be taken from then.


Important to be in the top 6, the top 12. (and likely the top 4).

This is because there are now 6 groups in the RWC 2027.

If you are in top 6 you are in Seeding Band 1. That means none of the other top 6 will be in your group.

Seeding Band 2 are teams from 7-12, who will have a top 6 team but no other 7-12 team.

After England's defeat by NZ there is clear water between NZ in 3rd, France in 4th and England in 5th. England are desperate for top4, ill come back and explain why later.

Lets look at Seeding Band 1 and 6th place. If you make 6th, no top 6 team is in your group, you are top dog. If you win your group, you won't be facing a top 6 team in your 1/8th final, you will be facing a weaker team. If you fail to make 6th place you WILL have a top 6 team in your group and if you don't win your group you WILL (probably) meet a top 6 in the 1/8 final. That's massive.


Its Argentina holding 6th now. Assuming England hold 5th, then its a 4 horse race for 6th. Argentina, Scotland, Italy and ...Australia. (ranked 6,7,8,9)

Australia play the Lions in NH summer 2025 they are running out of time to get up to 6th for their own RWC. They MUST make a move now. They must beat Wales and they really must beat Scotland to gain points and take points off them. Could they surprise England or Ireland? England may be the better bet but Schmidt knows Ireland so well having masterminded their downfall in France.

Another one to watch is Italy V Argentina. Italy are ambitious and they will want to start pushing the likes of Argentina. If they win this they are still in the hunt. Well worth a watch either way.


Top4: I think the top 6 will be seeded, all the way through from the draw. If thats the case then the top 4 will be seeded to avoid each other until the semi. Good for more certainty around ticket sales etc. That's a possible reason why England want in there. You're not in there you are hitting a top 4 team in a QF. That's an extra 50:50 match you can do without and avoid by being top 4.


Lets look at what Seeding bands might look like with todays rankings:


Seeding Band 1

IRE/SA/NZ/FRA/ENG/ARG

Seeding Band 2

SCO/ITA/AUS/FIJ/WAL/GEO


Sample Aussie strongest pool opponent and 1/8th final opponent if in top 6

Strongest pool opponent: FIJI

1/8 final opponent GEORGIA

Prognosis: advance to 1/4 and potentially beyond


Sample Aussie strongest pool opponent and 1/8th final opponent if NOT in top 6

Strongest pool opponent: SOUTH AFRICA

1/8 final opponent NEW ZEALAND

Prognosis: You know the prognosis


I am pretty sure this is not lost on Joe Schmidt?


Keep in mind when enjoying the matches.

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GS 1 hour ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

The key is realising this AB side is not what they are now but what they will be in 2025/26.


You can already see a Power bench forming, and I would highlight that people watch the AB XV game vs Munster and watch Fabian Holland - he, in the next 24 months, will be WC and bring some huge physicality to the team.


Then, aligned with Peter Lakai, probably at 7, another WC talent, the AB pack by 2026 will probably both be starting and on the bench - be rated as No 1 or 2 packs in the world.


Then, there is the usual WC talent around the backline, and the missing link is Mo'unga. Unlike in last year's WC, the coming forward pack for the ABs, is similar to the Bok pack, It will be packed full of power, and the key to this is a realitively young pack.


So I think we will lose to Ireland and France in the coming weeks, but watch out as this pack builds into - I mean, look at the tight five and loose forwards that are coming for the ABs - De Groot, Lomax, Williams, Tosi, Taylor, Ofa T, Samson T, Aumua, Patrick T, Barrett, Vai, Fabian H, Setiti, Lakai, Savea, Frizzell (understand they are attempting to get him and Mo'unga back), Blackadder, Papalii and bar Barrett, Savea, Patrick T, Taylor - pretty young in international terms.


Huge front row starting and on bench, Power locks and usual class in loose forwards - only missing ingredient is a WC 10 and with Mo'unga back probably in 2026, these ABs are trending in a very healthy direction.

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