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I really don't get it - Jim's Friday Five

Jim Hamilton looks at five talking points across the game of rugby heading into the second round of the Heineken Champions Cup.

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ELLIS GENGE TO BRISTOL
I didn’t like the timing of the statement from Leicester and then the next day the content put out by Bristol. Then again, that is the new age. Genge is a big name and Bristol are a club that is really struggling this season, so you can understand why they want to give their fans some good news with the homecoming of Bristolian prop.

I find it very strange that he is leaving Leicester, a club that is top of the Premiership and where he is the captain. I don’t know from a rugby playing point of view that you would want to leave the best team in the country. Is it money (Pat Lam says it isn’t)? Does he want to go back home to be close to his family?

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Regardless, it is a huge signing for Bristol and a massive loss for Leicester. It’s not the fact that they can’t replace Genge – there is talk of Steven Kitshoff being on the market. But that is another South African player and I’m sure the Leicester fans would like their captain to be an Englishman.

VAN GRAAN TO BATH
Bath have just announced a new defence coach after having had an inquest into their team’s performance this season. The review said that defence is an issue. No s***. Of course, it is! Look at the number of tries they have leaked! They shipped 70-odd points to Saracens earlier this season. Big changes are needed. I presume Stuart Hooper will stay in his role as DoR and Neal Hatley as head coach until the end of the season, with Johann van Graan taking over in 2022/23.

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It’s a weird one for Munster. They are losing their head coach and also Stephen Larkham. They haven’t won anything under the current regime and the province haven’t won silverware of any kind at senior level since the 2010/11 Magners League season. They seem to be a team that is again in transition. Forwards coach Graham Rowntree has added massively to the squad. They have struggled with a high profile 10. They have got that now in Joey Carbery, but he is unfortunately injured again.

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You wonder who is going to come in next from a coaching point of view. The opportunity appears to be wide open for Ronan O’Gara and Paul O’Connell. Could you imagine the dream team coming back to Munster? They would obviously be welcomed with open arms, but is the timing right for that pair? I don’t think it is. O’Gara needs to see out his time at La Rochelle. Is it a move he wants to take now? He has said it isn’t.

You don’t necessarily want to look at what football does, but the narrative around Frank Lampard at Chelsea, the romance around that – or Ole Gunnar Solskjaer at Manchester United – might be appealing. Or does O’Gara go down the Steven Gerrard route, travel around the world and see different styles of play, cultures and languages and get a more holistic understanding of the game and then go straight for the Ireland job? O’Gara has already coached in New Zealand and France. It’s going to be an interesting one. Regarding Bath, time will tell, but I don’t think a coach will come in and turn that club around with the click of a finger.

BRAD SHIELDS’ BAN AND APPEAL
I tweeted about it. The general consensus in the rugby fraternity is that it wasn’t a red. It was probably a yellow card at worst. Shields’ high tackle on Dave Kilcoyne was a game-changing moment for Wasps against an understrength Munster team and it was game over. I thought he was going to get off with it at the disciplinary hearing, but he was initially given four weeks. I can’t get my head around that decision. I feel like the panel might be trying to look after Romain Poite, with all the controversy around his decisions in the past. I understand that the suspension has now been successfully appealed and he is free to play this weekend if Wasps’ match against Toulouse even goes ahead.

JOE SCHMIDT’S SELECTOR ROLE
I’m not shocked to see this decision. The rumour was Schmidt was going to take over the All Blacks if it wasn’t to be Scott Robertson. It’s good to see Schmidt back in the mix. There is clearly a lot of pressure and questions around current head coach Ian Foster and the team’s results in the Autumn Nation Series, even though they won the Rugby Championship. The All Blacks are expected to win every game.

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Schmidt will add a different dimension to the All Blacks in terms of his knowledge in Europe and that could be a big thing for New Zealand heading into the 2023 World Cup, having been spanked by Ireland and France. He will be across the Irish obviously and he will understand French rugby as well having coached in Clermont and he will offer a different take on things.

We know the All Blacks are a team that when they come over to the UK and Ireland, they don’t even know the opposition players’ names. There is an arrogance and a confidence in the All Blacks camp, with the perception being they only think about themselves (Brodie Retallick couldn’t name one England player in 2014). They can start learning some names. Schmidt can start teaching them some of the Irish names, although you suspect they might know some of the Irish lads’ names now.

RASSIE HEADING FOR TROUBLE
The latest Rassie video features Ice Ice Baby, a packet of cigarettes on the table and him drinking a pint. He seems happy and fluffy, comfortable and safe for Christmas. I know the situation in South Africa from a Covid standpoint but we know he is not allowed near the rugby pitches. Is it making a mockery out of World Rugby? I’m not sure. I’m enjoying his social media videos. He hasn’t got quite as many followers as me at the minute but I’m sure he will do by the end of the year. My favourite one was the bulldog one – “You’re an English bulldog” – and the dog was going ballistic. It is keeping us entertained.

Let’s not forget we are talking about one of the best coaches of the modern era putting out social media videos. Out with the old guard, in with the new. I like Rassie, I like South Africa – I like what they stand for. We know that his Lions videos and comments didn’t go down well in the Nic Berry household, on a professional and on an emotional level, but I do like Erasmus. He has got to be careful, though. You can see something is brewing.

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Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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