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'There is confusion': Ian Foster on the problem areas in Super Rugby for the All Blacks

Captains Sam Cane of the Chiefs and Scott Barrett of the Crusaders pose for a photo with the Super Rugby Pacific trophy ahead of the Super Rugby Pacific Final match between Chiefs and Crusaders at FMG Stadium Waikato, on June 24, 2023, in Hamilton, New Zealand. (Photo by Phil Walter/Getty Images)

Now former All Blacks coach Ian Foster has weighed in on the state of Super Rugby Pacific and its ability to prepare New Zealand players for the international level.

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The All Blacks were able to make it to another Rugby World Cup final despite challenging results against South Africa, Argentina, France and Ireland over the years leading into the event.

The international game has become more competitive than ever placing more emphasis on Super Rugby to produce international-quality players.

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Foster said all is not lost with Super Rugby but that it requires a “massive” amount of attention to restore its status.

“I think it can be,” Foster said on The Platform NZ when asked if Super Rugby prepares players for international rugby.

“The Super Rugby competition needs a massive amount of attention.

“It’s critical to the All Blacks, that we have strong rugby clubs. I think we have.”

The coach explained that the critical area in need of change is player development, which has been identified as an ongoing issue in New Zealand’s governance review.

The issue is who is best placed to deliver that between Super Rugby clubs and provincial unions, who have invested heavily in player development with funding from NZR.

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Foster identified the U20 level and below as an area that “hasn’t been nailed” for some time with a state of confusion taking hold.

The results at the World U20 Championships for New Zealand haven’t been great for some years, with the last championship title coming in 2017.

“The only way to keep developing those clubs is to fine tune our development systems from underneath that,” he said.

“There is confusion in that area about how we develop our next players.

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“We are still stringing that out at U20 age group, where we haven’t nailed that for a decent amount of time.

“That’s our development programme. It’s not all about the U20 team as such, but the programme underneath that gets players to that point.

“That’s critical that we find a way through in that area.”

The other area that Foster highlighted as an issue is the diversity of playing styles since teams from South Africa, Japan and Argentina have disbanded or gone elsewhere.

He revealed that it took the All Blacks a couple of years to get used to playing different styles after the 2020 and 2021 seasons which saw a lot of internal rugby in New Zealand.

The All Blacks were shocked by Argentina in 2020 and 2022 whilst ended up losing to South Africa at least once every year from 2021. When they played Japan in late 2022 there was only seven points between the two sides.

Super Rugby Pacific added new teams in the Fijian Drua and Moana Pasifika but the absence of a wide variety of styles is being felt.

“We’ve got to make sure that Super Rugby is a viable competition and that our players are playing teams with a diverse way of playing,” he said.

“Certainly we narrowed down during Covid, we ended up playing ourselves.

“I think it took a bit to recover from that in 2022 and 2023 at international level and start to get used to playing different styles of rugby again.

“The more we do that the better.”

 

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Pecos 393 days ago

The Crusaders have been leading the way in player development for years. The model for pathway success from schoolboys, to academy, to provincial, then super, perhaps higher, is in place. Each super rugby franchise needs to step up.

As for covid “narrowing down” well, this was a global issue. And doesn’t account for the poor start in the first 5 tests under Foster (4 v Wallabies & 1 v Pumas). The results were 2 wins, 2 losses & a draw (but for a late penalty hitting the upright would’ve also been a loss).

I detect a hint of rewriting history seeping into these “Foster” articles. Cut it out!!

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Chris 393 days ago

Super rugby is in really dire conditions because it is bound to the fate of Australian rugby. If the Wallabies go down to record defeats agains the BI Lions then I fear the sport in Australia might never recover. They really need to get their house in order and fast.

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Clive 394 days ago

The problem is Rassie and the Boks.

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Jmann 395 days ago

It can’t be that bad. They were the best team in the knockout stages and only lost due to inept TMO and officiating.

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Jon 395 days ago

No Ian, NZ and Aus just need to create that diversity themselves.

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JW 43 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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