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'There is confusion': Ian Foster on the problem areas in Super Rugby for the All Blacks

Captains Sam Cane of the Chiefs and Scott Barrett of the Crusaders pose for a photo with the Super Rugby Pacific trophy ahead of the Super Rugby Pacific Final match between Chiefs and Crusaders at FMG Stadium Waikato, on June 24, 2023, in Hamilton, New Zealand. (Photo by Phil Walter/Getty Images)

Now former All Blacks coach Ian Foster has weighed in on the state of Super Rugby Pacific and its ability to prepare New Zealand players for the international level.

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The All Blacks were able to make it to another Rugby World Cup final despite challenging results against South Africa, Argentina, France and Ireland over the years leading into the event.

The international game has become more competitive than ever placing more emphasis on Super Rugby to produce international-quality players.

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Foster said all is not lost with Super Rugby but that it requires a “massive” amount of attention to restore its status.

“I think it can be,” Foster said on The Platform NZ when asked if Super Rugby prepares players for international rugby.

“The Super Rugby competition needs a massive amount of attention.

“It’s critical to the All Blacks, that we have strong rugby clubs. I think we have.”

The coach explained that the critical area in need of change is player development, which has been identified as an ongoing issue in New Zealand’s governance review.

The issue is who is best placed to deliver that between Super Rugby clubs and provincial unions, who have invested heavily in player development with funding from NZR.

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Foster identified the U20 level and below as an area that “hasn’t been nailed” for some time with a state of confusion taking hold.

The results at the World U20 Championships for New Zealand haven’t been great for some years, with the last championship title coming in 2017.

“The only way to keep developing those clubs is to fine tune our development systems from underneath that,” he said.

“There is confusion in that area about how we develop our next players.

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“We are still stringing that out at U20 age group, where we haven’t nailed that for a decent amount of time.

“That’s our development programme. It’s not all about the U20 team as such, but the programme underneath that gets players to that point.

“That’s critical that we find a way through in that area.”

The other area that Foster highlighted as an issue is the diversity of playing styles since teams from South Africa, Japan and Argentina have disbanded or gone elsewhere.

He revealed that it took the All Blacks a couple of years to get used to playing different styles after the 2020 and 2021 seasons which saw a lot of internal rugby in New Zealand.

The All Blacks were shocked by Argentina in 2020 and 2022 whilst ended up losing to South Africa at least once every year from 2021. When they played Japan in late 2022 there was only seven points between the two sides.

Super Rugby Pacific added new teams in the Fijian Drua and Moana Pasifika but the absence of a wide variety of styles is being felt.

“We’ve got to make sure that Super Rugby is a viable competition and that our players are playing teams with a diverse way of playing,” he said.

“Certainly we narrowed down during Covid, we ended up playing ourselves.

“I think it took a bit to recover from that in 2022 and 2023 at international level and start to get used to playing different styles of rugby again.

“The more we do that the better.”

 

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Pecos 362 days ago

The Crusaders have been leading the way in player development for years. The model for pathway success from schoolboys, to academy, to provincial, then super, perhaps higher, is in place. Each super rugby franchise needs to step up.

As for covid “narrowing down” well, this was a global issue. And doesn’t account for the poor start in the first 5 tests under Foster (4 v Wallabies & 1 v Pumas). The results were 2 wins, 2 losses & a draw (but for a late penalty hitting the upright would’ve also been a loss).

I detect a hint of rewriting history seeping into these “Foster” articles. Cut it out!!

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Chris 363 days ago

Super rugby is in really dire conditions because it is bound to the fate of Australian rugby. If the Wallabies go down to record defeats agains the BI Lions then I fear the sport in Australia might never recover. They really need to get their house in order and fast.

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Clive 364 days ago

The problem is Rassie and the Boks.

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Jmann 364 days ago

It can’t be that bad. They were the best team in the knockout stages and only lost due to inept TMO and officiating.

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Jon 364 days ago

No Ian, NZ and Aus just need to create that diversity themselves.

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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