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'I'm not going to sit here and say I'll ever get over the World Cup final because I don't think I ever will'

By PA
South Africa's Cheslin Kolbe. (Photo by Shaun Botterill/Getty Images)

Anthony Watson insists England are armed with ample motivation to lift the Autumn Nations Cup by toppling France at Twickenham on Sunday. Watson says Eddie Jones’ men value the climax to the tournament as an opportunity to win a second piece of silverware immediately after claiming the 2020 Six Nations title and the stage to avenge their only defeat of the year.

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In addition, the Bath wing embraces the chance for England to prove they have learned from their harrowing World Cup final defeat by South Africa twelve months ago. “This is a big deal. We want to win trophies. It’s something that when you are done with rugby you can say you have won,” said Watson, who made his comeback from an ankle injury against Wales last Saturday.

“It’s irrelevant whether it’s the Nations Cup or the Six Nations, a tournament that has just been made or one that has been there for however many years. It’s still an opportunity to win a trophy. Also, putting yourself in finals is where you want to measure yourself as a player. It’s the highest pressure game you can play in and it’s a real test of you as a player and as a team.”

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Eddie Jones sets the scene as England prepare to host France on Sunday

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Eddie Jones sets the scene as England prepare to host France on Sunday

The Autumn Nations Cup has struggled to capture imaginations due to the focus on defence and kicking and is not helped by France being forced to field a shadow team for what should have been a blockbusting climax due to an agreement with their clubs.

“It’s definitely a big deal, irrelevant of how it is portrayed and irrelevant of all the talk about what team France are putting out. It’s a big game,” said England winger Watson. “There is loads of stuff that could motivate the lads this week. 

“It’s a final and there is a trophy to be won at the end of it. In the previous final we played, we didn’t win. It’s about going out there and getting used to these finals and putting our game plan into force which is something we felt we didn’t do in the last final. The lads will not be short on motivation at all. We lost to France in the Six Nations in February and that also helps the motivation.”

Watson admits he is unlikely to ever recover from the 32-12 defeat to South Africa in Yokohama, a match England entered as clear favourites having crushed New Zealand a round earlier. The visit of France to Twickenham is their first winner-takes-all match since and they have been drawing on the calamity against the Springboks to train their preparation for the concluding match of 2020.

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“I’m not going to sit here and say I’ll ever get over the World Cup final because I don’t think I ever will,” Watson said. “That’s because of the amount of hard work that went into getting into the position we were in and falling at the final hurdle. Potentially if I get another opportunity to win it.

“We felt very confident going into that game. It’s difficult to put your finger on exactly what went wrong. We haven’t focused directly on the tactics of that final, more that we were favourites and that we didn’t do what we said we were going to do in the week. There were issues with the training week.

“They were minute things or things that we thought were minute that probably should have been spoken about that we didn’t speak about. It was probably just an edge, those one per centres in training. It was tough.”

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JW 15 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I had a look at the wiki article again, it's all terribly old data (not that I'd see reason for much change in the case of SA).

Number Of Clubs:

1526

Registered+Unregistered Players:

651146

Number of Referees:

3460

Pre-teen Male Players:

320842

Pre-teen Female Player:

4522

Teen Male Player:

199213

Teen Female Player:

4906

Senior Male Player:

113174

Senior Female Player:

8489

Total Male Player:

633229

Total Female Player:

17917


So looking for something new as were more concerned with adults specifically, so I had a look at their EOY Financial Review.

The total number of clubs remains consistent, with a marginal increase of 1% from 1,161 to 1,167. 8.1.

A comparative analysis of verified data for 2022 and 2023 highlights a marginal decline of 1% in the number of female players, declining from 6,801 to 6,723. Additionally, the total number of players demonstrates an 8% decrease, dropping from 96,172 to 88,828.

So 80k+ adult males (down from 113k), but I'm not really sure when youth are involved with SAn clubs, or if that data is for some reason not being referenced/included. 300k male students however (200k in old wiki data).


https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2020/07/28/212ed9cf-cd61-4fa3-b9d4-9f0d5fb61116/P56-57-Participation-Map_v3.pdf has France at 250k registered but https://presse-europe1-fr.translate.goog/exclu-europe-1-le-top-10-des-sports-les-plus-pratiques-en-france-en-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp has them back up at 300k registered.


The French number likely Students + Club, but everyone collects data different I reckon. In that WR pdf for instance a lot of the major nations have a heavily registered setup, were as a nation like England can penetrate into a lot more schools to run camps and include them in the reach of rugby. For instance the SARU release says only 29% of schools are reached by proper rugby programs, where as the 2million English number would be through a much much higer penetration I'd imagine. Which is thanks to schools having the ability to involve themselves in programs more than anything.


In any case, I don't think you need to be concerned with the numbers, whether they are 300 or 88k, there is obviously a big enough following for their pro scenes already to have enough quality players for a 10/12 team competition. They appear ibgger than France but I don't really by the lower English numbers going around.

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