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'I'm troubled about what New Zealand need to do': John Kirwan on fixing All Blacks

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Former All Black great John Kirwan is ‘unsettled’ after witnessing the manner in which Ireland defeated the All Blacks to claim a historic series win in Wellington over the weekend.

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Speaking on The Breakdown panel, Kirwan claimed that Ireland had become the world’s best team after coming back from 1-nil down to make history with a series win on New Zealand soil.

But it was the path ahead for the All Blacks that troubled him most, after watching a ‘clunky display’ of attack that failed to deliver in such an important game.

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“I’ve been reflecting all day, the Irish were amazing. They are a very good side, number one in the world now,” Kirwan praised.

“But I’m troubled about what New Zealand need to do to turn this around.

“I’ve been thinking about it all day, what we need to do, technically, tactically, we are talking about getting rid of an All Black coach for the first time in the history of the game.

“There is a lot of things at play and it unsettles me quite a bit. I’ve been in those changing rooms, I’ve been in those coaching situations, it’s just horrible.”

Kirwan’s gut feeling toward Ireland before the third test was that they would win but he couldn’t come to terms with comments from the Irish camp that referred to New Zealand as the world’s best team.

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“Farrell has taken over from Joe [Schmidt] and really accelerated to become the world’s best around the ruck I believe, world’s best at attacking patterns, world best defensively probably as well.

“Last night I didn’t have the courage to say Ireland would win, but I felt it in my heart.

“This Irish team, every time they get a chance they say we [New Zealand] are world champs, best in the world, but I’m not seeing it.

“We look clunky. I liked what the All Blacks were trying to do on attack, because I thought they were predictable and we asked them to change. But we were just clunky, guys were over running it.

“It just looked we were off the game, I couldn’t believe it.”

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One man with knowledge of the internal workings of the Ireland setup, Leinster great Isa Nacewa, joined the panel to discuss the famous result and shared a perspective from directly inside the Irish camp.

“I talked to Johnny Sexton last night and he was saying that this was way bigger than Chicago,” Nacewa said.

“They came down here and had the mindset of winning a series. To be there, with that mindset, started a long time ago. They were so far down, they came here with confidence, they came down here to breed players.

“They said that performance last night was better than all the previous ones.”

Ireland first tasted success against the All Blacks in 2016 under Joe Schmidt, who pioneered another victory at home in 2018 before a disappointing defeat in the quarter-final of the 2019 Rugby World Cup.

With his assistant Andy Farrell taking over the team, Ireland have continued their success against New Zealand and taken it even further.

When asked about what Andy Farrell brings to the squad, Nacewa said the belief he instills in everyone in camp has fuelled Irish rugby to another level.

“He just knows how to drive belief within a squad, and for the staff as well,” Nacewa said.

“Ireland have scored more tries this year than any other international team. They love and have fun playing this type of attack, but he is so critical in those reviews around what the system is.

“All the players across the board, they just default into knowing what to do, where to be on the field which is the complete opposite from what I saw from the All Blacks. Not just last night, but for awhile now.

“All the players just know how to do their job, do it really well, show up and just default into position, but that takes months, years to actually get to that.

“It didn’t happen off the bat for Andy Farrell straight away, but they continued to win games, they only lost a couple and got better and then the belief came.

“It was off the back of shedding the Joe Schmidt era, trusting a new process, getting there and everyone just buying into it.

“The last three weeks it worked, but it showed a long time before that.”

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Graeme 887 days ago

Perhaps we need to have review of the review?

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Brett 888 days ago

Foster has been with the abs so long now he’s too emotionally attached to some of the so called older experienced players in the team who are past their use by date. If you’re good enough age shouldn’t matter. Time this team became Ardie,s team with him starting at 7 Sami to start at hooker

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Brian 888 days ago

Whitelock and Retallik are over the hill -

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Michael 889 days ago

Just watch yesterday's Breakdown - listening to the panel was painful especially Goldie - where he is surpised and even questioned the idea that Professional Coaches should be measured on performance!! If you want to be a professional pundit Goldie - GROW UP!

Then JK suggesting no need for a Review, we had one in December!! Remember Fozzies comments - we've reviewed everything and we have some solutions and tricks (that's before the Ireland series). Clearly what ever the results of the review, it aint working.

Look I have no complaints - Ireland deserved winners, winning & losing that happens - but we were not just poor in the first half we were inept - for Goldie to say we had "disruptions" to our team, and last year it was 8 months in a bubble

The breakdown was a total catatrophe in all 3 games - look Irelands last try from the maul - we have a scrum half and #12 on side of maul trying stop a forward... our defensive laps are U20 standard

Wake up NZRU and Foster - if Foster doesnt go, he needs to at least change some personnel after they had poor performance reviews in December

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Tom 5 hours ago
What is the future of rugby in 2025?

Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol! Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol! Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol!


It's incredible to see the boys playing like this. Back to the form that saw them finish on top of the regular season and beat Toulon to win the challenge cup. Ibitoye and Ravouvou doing a cracking Piutau/Radradra impression.


It's abundantly clear that Borthwick and Wigglesworth need to transform the England attack and incorporate some of the Bears way. Unfortunately until the Bears are competing in Europe, the old criticisms will still be used.. we failed to fire any punches against La Rochelle and Leinster which goes to show there is still work to do but both those sides are packed full of elite players so it's not the fairest comparison to expect Bristol to compete with them. I feel Bristol are on the way up though and the best is yet to come. Tom Jordan next year is going to be obscene.


Test rugby is obviously a different beast and does Borthwick have enough time with the players to develop the level of skill the Bears plays have? Even if he wanted to? We should definitely be able to see some progress, Scotland have certainly managed it. England aren't going to start throwing the ball around like that but England's attack looks prehistoric by comparison, I hope they take some inspiration from the clarity and freedom of expression shown by the Bears (and Scotland - who keep beating us, by the way!). Bristol have the best attack in the premiership, it'd be mad for England to ignore it because it doesn't fit with the Borthwick and Wigglesworth idea of how test rugby should be played. You gotta use what is available to you. Sadly I think England will try reluctantly to incorporate some of these ideas and end up even more confused and lacking identity than ever. At the moment England have two teams, they have 14 players and Marcus Smith. Marcus sticks out as a sore thumb in a team coached to play in a manner ideologically opposed to the way he plays rugby, does the Bears factor confuse matters further? I just have no confidence in Borthers and Wiggles.


Crazy to see the Prem with more ball in play than SR!

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JW 9 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

In another recent article I tried to argue for a few key concept changes for EPCR which I think could light the game up in the North.


First, I can't remember who pointed out the obvious elephant in the room (a SA'n poster?), it's a terrible time to play rugby in the NH, and especially your pinnacle tournament. It's been terrible watching with seemingly all the games I wanted to watch being in the dark, hardly able to see what was going on. The Aviva was the only stadium I saw that had lights that could handle the miserable rain. If the global appeal is there, they could do a lot better having day games.


They other primary idea I thuoght would benefit EPCR most, was more content. The Prem could do with it and the Top14 could do with something more important than their own league, so they aren't under so much pressure to sell games. The quality over quantity approach.


Trim it down to two 16 team EPCR competitions, and introduce a third for playing amongst the T2 sides, or the bottom clubs in each league should simply be working on being better during the EPCR.


Champions Cup is made up of league best 15 teams, + 1, the Challenge Cup winner. Without a reason not to, I'd distribute it evenly based on each leauge, dividing into thirds and rounded up, 6 URC 5 Top14 4 English. Each winner (all four) is #1 rank and I'd have a seeding round or two for the other 12 to determine their own brackets for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. I'd then hold a 6 game pool, home and away, with consecutive of each for those games that involve SA'n teams. Preferrably I'd have a regional thing were all SA'n teams were in the same pool but that's a bit complex for this simple idea.


That pool round further finalises the seeding for knockout round of 16. So #1 pool has essentially duked it out for finals seeding already (better venue planning), and to see who they go up against 16, 15,etc etc. Actually I think I might prefer a single pool round for seeding, and introduce the home and away for Ro16, quarters, and semis (stuffs up venue hire). General idea to produce the most competitive matches possible until the random knockout phase, and fix the random lottery of which two teams get ranked higher after pool play, and also keep the system identical for the Challenge Cup so everthing is succinct. Top T2 side promoted from last year to make 16 in Challenge Cup

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