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Interview - The 'patronising' future of rugby that forced Agustin Pichot's hand

Like many of the world’s most influential people, leadership isn’t necessarily something that Agustín Pichot aspired to. Yes, he wanted to make a difference to the rugby world post his playing days, but he certainly never wanted to have his name in the lights.

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But that’s the situation the former Argentina captain has found himself in as he mounts a bid to take over as the World Rugby chairman.

Pichot was initially brought into the World Rugby fold in 2016 and was quickly appointed as vice-chairman to Bill Beaumont, the man who he will now be going head-to-head with when the votes are cast in early May.

“When I started in 2016, I spoke to Bernard Lapasset –  that was the chairman – and he brought me in,” Pichot told RugbyPass from his home in Argentina.

“He said ‘Gus, why don’t you run with me?’

“I said ‘Bernard, I think we should be more global. We should just look to work with probably a different leader.’”

So it came to be that Pichot and Beaumont teamed up, forging an alliance between the Northern Hemisphere (with Beaumont the former chairman of England’s Rugby Football Union) and the Southern Hemisphere.

Even prior to the coalition, Pichot knew that making any sizeable changes would be difficult, despite Beaumont’s relative progressiveness compared to the older guard.

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“Bernard told me ‘you will never get it done’ and Pierre Camou, another French good friend of mine [and former president of the Fédération Française de Rugby] that passed away, unfortunately, he said to me ‘they will never change, they will never want a global game.’”

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Still, Pichot helped push through several significant changes during the first two years of his tenure despite the obvious resistance from some of the game’s older stakeholders.

“The first two years were very good and things were going [well], I was pushing [hard],” Pichot said.

“We started to make some more reforms, more investment, be more critical on the management about deadlines, about budgeting – in a modern way, like you’d do a business.

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“And then, about a year and a half ago, with the calendar that was proposed as a very important global goal that I pushed very hard, I started receiving some pushback because it was too much.”

The change that Pichot is talking about, of course, is the proposed Nations Championship – a competition that would see the top 24 teams in the world split into two divisions to compete annually for a trophy.

Promotion and relegation were key aspects of the pitch but there was considerable resistance both from within World Rugby and from some of the game’s stakeholders.

“For me, it was just a better tournament: yearly, inclusion of emerging nations, more money for the game, more money for investment in emerging nations, more money for investment in the women’s game – and it didn’t happen.”

That was effectively the last straw for Pichot – which is what has prompted the former halfback to throw his hat into the ring.

“It’s not that I wanted to be chairman, [but] I couldn’t carry on for four more years like that, I had to be true to myself,” Pichot said.

Which has brought us to the current situation where Pichot is running on his own against Beaumont and his new vice-chairman elect, current FFR president Bernard Laporte.

Whatever unfolds, we’re going to witness one Hemisphere taking broader control – and Pichot is especially concerned at the Beaumont/Laporte combo, given England and France already have significant control over the global game purely due to the financial power held within those two nations.

“Two of the biggest economies in World Rugby leading the way. The powerful people get more power and the emerging nations get less power. [It’s] quite patronising, to be honest – and that’s what everyone felt,” said Pichot.

“Personally, I don’t like it. I come from a small country, rugby-wise. I’m a very proud Argentinian and that’s why I advocate for emerging nations because I truly believe that’s how Argentina grew and that’s how we became a powerful nation – or at least one of the 10 best nations in the world – because we received the vision and inclusion from South Africa first and from New Zealand and then from Australia.

“Nobody had a clear view of Argentina’s potential, nobody knew how much money Argentina would bring to the equation, but it was a good rugby decision.”

Pichot will be hoping that the decision-makers agree with his take on the current situation when the votes are cast at the World Rugby AGM on May 12th.

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JW 3 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


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It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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