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Records show All Blacks' greatest rugby adversary is now Ireland

Ireland's James Lowe and New Zealand's Rieko Ioane. (Photo By David Fitzgerald/Sportsfile via Getty Images and Aurelien Meunier/Getty Images)

The All Blacks-Ireland rivalry has became the greatest of the last decade for New Zealand rugby, and perhaps the global game’s showpiece fixture.

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From a New Zealand perspective no side has irked the country like Ireland, with a tit-for-tat win-loss ledger and on-field player spats spilling into the media adding fuel to the fire.

While Kiwi fans love to fawn over traditional rivals Springboks as ‘brother nations’ and lather each other with ‘respect’, it’s the opposite with the Irish and their fast rise that has flipped over the All Black applecart.

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Many New Zealanders are reluctant to recognise or credit Ireland’s greatness, clinging to dated views that they remain in the same category as Wales and Scotland, European doormats who are there to get stomped by the black machine.

They just don’t like losing to the Irish. The one-off win in Chicago in 2016 was supposed to be an aberration, and the retribution test in Dublin that year was supposed to prove so.

The fallout from the 2016 revenge match also signalled a turning point in the shape of the wider game, with many of the tackles from that night sparking the start of a crackdown. Legal tackle heights came down and card sanctions increased.

Sam Cane’s World Cup final tackle on Jesse Kriel would have barely been noticed in 2016, yet it was his sickening hit on Henshaw back in that 2016 Test that set the path forward.

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Again in 2018 Ireland created history by beating the All Blacks a second time, this time it was Steve Hansen’s top squad who were sent over to Europe early to prepare for the showing.

Jacob Stockdale’s famous try the catalyst for a 16-9 victory as New Zealand went tryless. New Zealand fans and media alike were lost for a valid explanation. The All Blacks had a real problem on their hands. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Back-to-back World Player of the Year Beauden Barrett was gunning for three straight gongs in 2018 after emerging from the 2015 World Cup as the game’s leading superstar. The end of year tour tipped the balance and Johnny Sexton scooped the award over Barrett.

Ireland fell apart in 2019 and when the two sides met in the World Cup quarter-final, an All Black victory felt inevitable. They punished Ireland 46-14 for sweet revenge. But again, soon after Ireland proved that the All Black “Aura” no longer mattered to them.

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When Ian Foster’s lot turned up in 2021 they were handed another loss, 29-20. The image of ex-pat winger James Lowe famously screaming over the top of an All Black ruck after winning a holding on penalty is burned into the memories of New Zealand fans.

Once again there was a response from the other side. The All Blacks were chuffed after a 42-19 win in the first Test at Eden Park in 2022. Three tries in the space of 10 minutes following the forced exit of Johnny Sexton buried the visitors by half-time.

Maybe they thought they’d wrap up the series and send Ireland on their way. But the most turbulent time of Ian Foster’s reign was about to begin as Ireland bounced back to send the All Blacks into a tailspin.

Substitution debacles, multiple cards including a red to reserve prop Angus Ta’avao derailed the home side in the Dunedin test. Ireland had once again scored the opening try inside five minutes and looked the better side with Sexton back on the pitch. O’Mahoney famously chirped that Cane was a “sh*t McCaw” towards the end.

The full-time celebrations were telling. A lot of sides carry on cock-a-hoop like they’ve won a World Cup after beating the All Blacks. Argentina have multiple times in recent years, only to get demolished a week later.

Irish players barely recognised the win, arms were raised but it was a very measured response, understanding the job was only half done. They smelt blood in the water.

The All Blacks were flat out embarrassed in the third and final Test, losing a historic series on home soil. The fallout was chaotic, with two assistant coaches let go and Foster’s job put on the line.

The pain and embarrassment of the series defeat left a lot of pent up emotion for the All Blacks. They retreated into their shells, resentful of media, upset with criticism. It left a big chip on the shoulder.

However, through the storm it also sparked change for the good. Joe Schmidt came in with a prominent role as an assistant coach. The All Blacks cleaned up their shapes and patterns and started to look like a well oiled machine. They finished 2022 on an undefeated run of seven in a row. That streak would extend to 11 as the All Blacks opened 2023 with a dominant Rugby Championship title.

The players and coaches have since admitted they wanted to see Ireland in the quarter-finals of the 2023 Rugby World Cup. After losing to France on opening night and after Ireland toppled South Africa, they got their wish.

The 2023 Rugby World Cup quarter-final was an all-time great game, decided on the finest of margins. Jordie Barrett’s miracle tackle on reserve hooker Ronan Kelleher the defining moment.

All the pain of the 2022 series defeat was bottled up and delivered to Ireland on that night, delivering an emotionally crushing blow to the number one ranked team riding 17 wins in a row. Brodie Retallick was happy to serve O’Mahony with a sledge and Rieko Ioane’s infamous send off to Johnny Sexton is now public.

This modern rivalry has been built on delivering crushing emotional pain to each other, which at each turn has grown larger and larger. No side has tarnished the All Blacks’ reputation as a dominant powerhouse like Ireland. The All Blacks have kept Ireland’s quarter-final curse in tact.

Since the breakthrough win in 2016 the ledger stands at 5-4 in Ireland’s favour. For any opposition against the All Blacks, that is historically exceptional.

Losses to the Springboks are accepted by the public. Losses to Australia are infrequent and rare enough. But losses to Ireland with the frequency that they have come have been a bitter pill to swallow. The All Blacks were 27-1-0 over Ireland dating back to 1905, now they have become their greatest rugby adversary.

Over the same period since the 2016 Chicago loss, the All Blacks hold a 9-1-7 winning record over South Africa despite losing the last four straight. Ireland are the only team the All Blacks have a losing record against since winning their third Rugby World Cup title.

And the recent history of this rivalry suggests that revenge is in store for last year’s painful quarter-final exit but at least the New Zealand rugby public know what to expect now.

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BP 10 days ago

More BS from washed up wannabe writer "ben wannabe smith"

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RW 10 days ago

Ben, I don't like your constant anti-SA BS, but you a pretty good at engagement farming.

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SadersMan 14 days ago

No. Springboks. Always the Springboks. Stop this nonsense.

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Marc Jones 14 days ago

Obviously, this is a sly dig at the Springboks disguised as a compliment to the Irish. Ireland deserve compliments, but its disrespectful to give an insincere compliment to stir the pot. As usual, Ben has manufactured an article out of nothing for the purposes of taking a shot at a team he can't admit he actually admires...

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Bull Shark 14 days ago

Let’s not overlook the sly dig at South Africa, according to Ben Smith, no longer being the All Blacks greatest rival.


It’s sly now. But unfortunately, as soon as the ABs beat Ireland, we’ll return to regular programming. Something about how shite the boks are.


I prefer it when Ben is quiet.

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Cantab 15 days ago

South Africa are the true number one team as they have managed to beat everyone. Ireland continue to bleat over world cup loss to NZ but they would not have toppled SA anyway. An understrength NZ should still knock over Ireland this time round

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RedWarrior 14 days ago

They actually did beat SA in the RWC. No Irish player has made any comment about that RWC 1/4. Am I wrong? Do you just invent offences that the Irish supposedly commit?

All I hear from SA and NZ fans is a constant boast-athon about who they think is the best. The contrast with NH rugby culture couldn't be different. We respect eachother.


Ireland's B team beat SA in Durban after all, so not unheard of.

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NE 14 days ago

Ireland did beat SA (13 - 8) in the 2023 RWC. It was a group stage game. No reason to believe they wouldn't have done so again in the KO stages had the opportunity arisen.

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Another 15 days ago

Records show that International rugby didn’t begin 8 years ago. South Africa are New Zealand’s greatest rival.


Ireland are the current World Number 1 and this is well earned. But that is ephemeral too. Ireland lose one match and it’s gone. Legacies take decades and generational success to make.

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Bull Shark 14 days ago

🙌

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GS 15 days ago

Not for me personally. Half the current Irish backline are players that I watched in Super Rugby and have, in two cases, represented NZ Rep teams.


So when we lose to a very good Irish team, it does not hurt as much when we lose to the Boks.


If I had to pick a win in Pretoria or in Dublin - Pretoria all the way, nothing like getting one over the old enemy vs. losing to a mixture of Irish, Oz and Kiwi players.

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Marc Jones 14 days ago

Likewise, to me, the Springboks beating the All Blacks is the ultimate result. Beating them in New Zealand is the pinnacle. Ireland are an excellent team. But being amazing in recent years is not the same as a 100 year old rivalry. Sure we are on the thin side of the results against the All Blacks, but that is exactly why a win against them is so sweet. A win against Ireland is great, a win against New Zealand is sweet in a different way…

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AV 15 days ago

"Records show All Blacks' greatest rugby adversary is now Ireland" ... and I focus on the "is now". You conveniently take it over the period since 2016 to compare the SA-NZ to IRE-NZ, knowing that for the period 2016-2018 SA was coached by Allister Coetzee and experienced their worst performances vs NZ EVER! Just do your little comparison of the period post Coetzee to now and you will see a very different picture. Let's forget about the quarter-funeral RWC matches, Ireland is playing awesome rugby and are deservedly No1, and yes, NZ is very keen to knock them over again (especially in their back-yard), but the real rivalry remains NZ-SA. BY the way, I reckon NZ is going to pull it off this weekend.

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Cantab 15 days ago

I agree. Ireland to choke in the games that matter

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Utiku Old Boy 15 days ago

Agreed. SA vs ABs is the pinnacle for NZ. Ireland is enjoying a good "patch" but historically, this is a long way from being a "great adversary". Their recent 55% record against the ABs since winning for the first time in 2016 is hardly legendary, notwithstanding they are currently a tough proposition and deserve their present ranking.

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RedWarrior 15 days ago

Ireland were no1 for more weeks than any other team between 2019 and 2023 but were ranked #5 for RWC 2023 because the rankings were taken in 2019. So you can rant about the quarter-funeral RWC matches but Ireland and France finishing joint 8th and Scotland finishing joint 16th has everything to do with the draw and little to do with Rugby ability. NZ may well pull it off this weekend. But they will sweat and bleed (a lot) to do so. We don't like arrogant teams in Ireland. That will be made crystal clear on Friday.

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RedWarrior 15 days ago

The New Zealand performance in the return fixture in 2016 was filthy. A lot of Irish supporters were pretty shocked by it, viewed it as de facto cheating just to avoid another defeat.

Also shocked by the abuse to Ireland, captain, vice-captain and spectators after the full time whistle in Paris defeat, last match.

Sledging is sledging, but that happens during the game and targetting spectators should be completely out of bounds.

The Irish public used to enjoy these matches, even in defeat. Now they are necessary but unpleasant, because NZ apparently cannot accept or respect successful challengers.

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BH 15 days ago

RedWarrior moaning again with a completely biased point of view. No respect for your comments or opinion. Just another ABs hater.

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AV 15 days ago

And Sexton's behavior with referee Peyper?

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Nickers 15 days ago

Were you shocked by Sexton trying to rip Barrett's head off when he scored that final try in that return game?


Sexton once again the beneficiary of incredible double standards. Some of the rules simply didn't apply to him. The referee even watched that replay about 5 times in slow motion to see if he grounded the ball. If an NZ player had made that tackle it would have been a yellow card.


Ireland led by Sexton were the biggest bunch of whingers to ever play the game. NZ's dislike of Ireland was not caused by losing to them, it was caused by the Irish players, commentators and media being such giant crybabies.


I genuinely think Ireland are the best team in the world, and I think they will beat the ABs on Friday, but they are by some distance the team I like the least, and I know many people, not just from NZ, who feel the same.

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Flankly 15 days ago

Fair to say that NZ have come to respect Ireland, as have all teams. But it's a bit click-baitey to say that the game is the premier show-down for NZ.


SA has beaten NZ four times in a row, including in the RWC final.

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JW 1 hour ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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