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Irish boss Kidney reacts to criticism over winless 10-game run

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Long-serving London Irish boss Declan Kidney doesn’t believe the pressure has ratcheted up at the club as they seek to snap a ten-match winless streak in the Gallagher Premiership when they host Gloucester next Sunday. It is the Exiles’ most barren run of results in the top-flight since the 14-match winless streak of 2017/18 resulted in the appointment of the Irishman as director of rugby in March 2018 prior to their relegation to the Championship. 

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Irish only spent one campaign in the second tier but their struggle for improved Premiership results has become a theme of the Kidney era. Last Saturday’s defeat to Leicester was the club’s 33rd on-pitch Premiership defeat in 50 outings with the ex-Ireland and Munster coach at the helm, their meagre 13 victories (and four draws) good enough for just a 26 per cent win ratio. 

You have to go back to last March against Bath for their most recent Premiership win and while they have generally been competitive in this latest winless run, five of their defeats being by five points or less, some Irish fans have started to lose patience with the Kidney tenure judging by social media comments after the latest setback against the Tigers. Some of the Twitter posts questioning the luckless Irish were: 

  • “We’ve spent millions to achieve nothing. Something is clearly wrong at the top and it feels like K&K (Kidney and Les Kiss) are out of ideas.”
  • “Lost for words, we need to start winning. We have the talent so what’s actually wrong?”
  • “Since we were last promoted, we’ve played something like 48 games and only won 12! It’s just not good enough. With that kind of win rate, in most other sports Kidney and Kiss would be long gone.”
  • “It is getting very boring now to lose week in and week out. You get our hopes up to then dash them.”

Asked by RugbyPass if he was feeling any sense of added pressure at the moment, Kidney replied: “No, nothing new. Everyone has been very nice.”

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Irish have so far lost to Worcester, Northampton and Leicester, while also drawing with Sale, in their latest Premiership campaign following on from the run of six losses that brought the curtain down on their efforts last term and cost them qualification for the Heineken Champions Cup. Kidney, though, isn’t lost the faith in his team, insisting they are playing must better this season and a W is only a matter of when and not if in being achieved. “You are combining the end of last season with this season which is understandable,” he accepted when the ten-match winless run was put to him.

“The matches at the end of last season (the reason we lost) were the finishes. This year we had an unhealthy start in two of the four matches where we gave up 17-point leads and got our way back against Sale but didn’t quite get our way back against Northampton. We managed to rectify that last week (against Leicester). To be fair they are different circumstances. It’s a statistical thing of drawing matches this year together with matches last year, but I know we are playing better this year than we did last year.”

Kidney has assembled a squad from around the world to help bring through a core group of promising English youngsters, but it has yet to deliver a consistently winning blend at Irish. “You want the players to get a bit of a reward for their effort but it doesn’t guarantee that you will get it, so if you get anxious about it or if you say you have to do something then in sport it rarely happens like that. Take golf, if you think, ‘God I have to get a par on this hole’, you will probably end up with a treble bogey. 

“What you have to do is just go out and play the game, believe in yourself, deal with the things that Gloucester throw at you, deal with the different scenarios that are around a match and see where that leaves you at the end. It would be nice to get it [the win] and it is important to get it and I wouldn’t underestimate any of that but if you try and force it then it doesn’t happen then either.

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“You just have to have that belief in yourself to go out, trust your process, trust what you are doing knowing we have been knocking on the door. It takes courage to knock on the door and my belief is that we are learning to win. Sometimes if you learn to win you stay in a better place for longer because sometimes if you get a few easy wins at the start you don’t learn what actually went into it whereas now we have reference points to bring back into it and that will stand us in stronger stead going forward. Would we like to win? Absolutely, but there is no point in trying to force it.

“There are lots of people with experience here, people with a hundred international caps, so it is not like I have to show them how to suck eggs and the younger players are building up a degree of experience as well, so that will come together and get us the wins as time goes on. When that will be, it will be but I know they will come.”

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GrahamVF 20 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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JW 6 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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