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All Blacks' 'balance for the World Cup' under threat in current environment

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One thing uniting all rugby fans in the Southern Hemisphere right now is the frustration around their team’s inconsistent performances.

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Ex-All Blacks are no different. John Kirwan and Justin Marshall discussed the cause for these inconsistencies on this week’s episode of The Breakdown, while also touching on how the All Blacks’ response could affect them in the long run.

Kirwan opened the episode with the topic clearly at the forefront of his mind:

“It’s been this incredible journey over the last seven weeks,” Kirwan said. “We’ve seen stuff from the All Blacks that we’ve never seen before, talk of divide between NZR and the players, performances, great, poor, and then last (Saturday) night, probably one out of the bag.

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“It’s the inconsistency of performance right across the board. You see South Africa against Australia the week before, and then last (Saturday) night, they put that performance on, us against Argentina and then that performance last (Saturday) night…”

Kirwin emphasised the difference in winning margins this year compared with previous:

“When you’re three per cent off, you’d lose by three points, three years ago. Now if you’re three per cent off, it’s going to be a bad night”

The disruption of Covid was at the root of much of the discussion.

“One of the biggest challenges, I believe, is your balance for the World Cup, and I do believe everyone lost a year through Covid.”

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The “balance” Kirwan is referring to is having both young, in-form players as well as the experienced veterans.

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Considering that lost year is essentially one quarter of the world cup cycle, it leads to challenges around squad cohesion and depth.

Marshall added that the form of teams like Argentina is making it more difficult for the All Blacks to build that depth:

“The Pumas aren’t helping the situation,” Marshall joked.

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“They’re much more competitive, so they are making it harder for teams to rotate their players because you have to put a top team out against them.”

With less opportunity to blood and develop young players, the race for key roster spots is less competitive and more of a given.

“If you think about the year before a World Cup, you’re trying to consolidate, you’re trying to decide what your starting 15 is, your full 30-man squad,” Kirwan added.

Applying further selection pressure, is the evolution of the game in its physicality.

“The game is incredibly physical, and I don’t know if you can play a game like you played in South Africa and then back it up a week later, so the bigger the squad and the more test experience you have, the better off you’re going to be moving forward.”

The All Blacks’ ability to inject young players without sacrificing results seems a distant memory for a team that now appears determined to play as much of the same 23-man side as possible each week.

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Mihai 1045 days ago

The starting lineup is just a red herring, in my opinion; the ABs can currently put out at least 2 completely distinct starting XVs that would win a one-off game against any (imho) opponent. Players' talent is not the problem; the team management must instead find a way to win 3 very difficult games over a 2 week period. I do believe that there is a way to do it, it all depends on whether the management can overcome their pre-conceptions and also their inclination towards being politically correct. Continuing discussions on what the "perfect team formula" would be are to me a nonsense, the real discussion is what the 3 perfect formulas would be for the 3 critical games.

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JD Kiwi 1045 days ago

This isn't the usual time of the cycle to be blooding new players. In our current 23 we have plenty who didn't go to the last world cup, which is the important thing. Taukei'aho, De Groot, Lomax, Bower, Newell, Papalii, Tupaea, Havili, Christie, Jordan. Second and third rows are the main absence but Barrett, Frizzel and Ardie are only 28 with Vaa'i, Lord and Grace all promising.

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Jfp123 26 minutes ago
France push All Blacks to 80th minute in narrow Dunedin defeat

So, you think top rugby players’ wages ought to be kept artificially low, when in fact the forces of “demand and supply” mean that many can and indeed are commanding wages higher than you approve of, and even though players regularly get injured, and those injuries can be serious enough to cut short careers and even threaten lives, e.g. Steven Kitshoff.

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As far as I can make out your objections amount to

1) they’ve sent a B team, which is not what we do and I don’t like it. Is there more to it than that? You haven’t replied to the points I made previously about sell out Tests and high ticket prices, so I take it reduced earnings are no longer part of your argument. Possibly you’re disappointed at not seeing Dupont et al., but a lot of New Zealanders think he is over rated anyway.


2) The Top 14 is paying players too much, leading to wage inflation around the world which is bad for the sport.

Firstly, young athletes have a range of sports to choose from, so rugby holding out the prospect of a lucrative, glamorous career helps attract talent.

Above all, market forces mean the French clubs earn a lot of money, and spend a large part of that money on relatively high wages, within a framework set by the league to maintain the health of the league. This framework includes the salary cap and Jiff rules which in effect limit the number of foreign stars the clubs employ and encourage the development of young talent, so there is a limit on Top14 demand. The Toulon of the 2010s is a thing of the past.


So yes, the French clubs cream off some top players - they are competitive sports teams, what do expect them to do with their money? - but there’s still a there’s a plentiful supply of great rugby players and coaches without French contracts. The troubles in England and Wales were down to mismanagement of those national bodies, and clubs themselves, not the French


So if you don’t want to let market forces determine wage levels, and you do want to prevent the French clubs from spending so much of their large incomes on players, how on earth do you want to set player wages?


Is the problem that NZ can’t pay so much as the Top 14 and you fear the best players will be lured away and/or you want NZ franchises to compete for leading international talent? Are you asking for NZ wage scales to be adopted as the maximum allowed, to achieve this? But in that case why not take Uruguay, or Spain, or Tonga or Samoa as the standard, so Samoa, a highly talented rugby nation, can keep Samoan players in Samoa, not see them leave for higher wages in NZ and elsewhere.

Rugby is played in lots of countries, with hugely varying levels of financial backing etc. Obviously, it’s more difficult for some than others, but aside for a limited amount of help from world rugby, it’s up to each one to make their sums add up, and make the most of the particular advantages their nation/club/franchise has. SA are not the richest, but are still highly successful, and I don’t hear them complaining about Top14 wages.


Many, particularly second tier, nations benefit from the Top14, and anyone genuinely concerned about the whole community of world rugby should welcome that. England and NZ have laid down rules so they can’t make the most of the French competition, which is up to them. But unlike some NZ fans and pundits, the English aren’t generally blaming their own woes on the French, rather they want reform of the English structure, and some are calling for lessons to learned from their neighbours across the channel. If NZ fans aren’t satisfied, I suggest they call for internal reform, not try to make the French scapegoats.


In my opinion, a breach of standards would be to include on your team players who beat up women, not to regularly send a B team on the summer tours for reasons of player welfare, which in all the years you’ve been doing this only some of the pundits and fans of a single country have made a stink about.


[my comments here are, of course, not aimed at all NZ fans and pundits]

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