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Is this Eddie's last dance? - Andy Goode

Eddie Jones, Head Coach of Australia, exits the tunnel prior to the Rugby World Cup France 2023 match between Australia and Georgia at Stade de France on September 09, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

Eddie Jones has won just two of his last 11 Tests as an international head coach and another defeat to Wales this weekend could, or at least should, spell the end of his coaching career.

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That stark statistic includes just the very tail end of what was a major drop-off during his tenure as England boss and to lead not one but two of the pre-eminent nations in world rugby to such dire records shows something must be wrong.

Jones lost six Tests with England last year, as he did in 2018 as well, and he has lost six of his first seven in his second stint with the Wallabies. However you spin things in the media, you have to be judged on results as a head coach in elite sport and that isn’t good enough.

He might have signed a long-term deal through to 2027 in January and only just got his feet under the table but if he leads Australia to their first ever pool stage exit at a World Cup, I think he has to go.

Wallabies coach Eddie Jones.
Wallabies head coach Eddie Jones heads to departures at Sydney International Airport on August 17, 2023 in Sydney, Australia. (Photo by Mark Metcalfe/Getty Images)

Who knows if there is a performance-related clause in his contract or one inserted for the eventuality of a record early exit from a World Cup, or maybe he could be moved upstairs, but finances and an inability to admit they’ve made a mistake shouldn’t mean Australian Rugby’s hands are tied.

Of course, Jones will argue he’s building for the future but I think another defeat to Wales, on the back of the Wallabies getting the Rugby Championship wooden spoon for just the second time in 14 years, would mean they clearly have made a mistake.

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Eddie himself was on record earlier this year saying he was “only coaching until this World Cup” so maybe there is a possibility that he and Australian Rugby could part ways.

“I’ve signed [until the end of 2027], but as I’ve made the mistake before, I’ve stayed too long. If we win the World Cup, it will be time to go. If we lose the World Cup, it will be time to go,” he added.

He and his employers were forced to clarify that he had a five-year deal and was in it for the long-haul in the aftermath of those comments but he added that “my only concentration is this Rugby World Cup, so I don’t think past that.”

The evidence doesn’t suggest this World Cup is his only focus and I’d actually go as far as to say he’s shown the tournament disrespect with his selection and some of his other comments.

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Eddie Jones
Australia’s coach Eddie Jones (L) chats to player Carter Gordon (R) before the Rugby Championship 2023 and Bledisloe Cup Test match between Australia and New Zealand at the MCG in Melbourne on July 29, 2023. (Photo by William WEST / AFP)

“I don’t try to make myself out as a saint but sometimes you’ve got to take some hard decisions to get the results further down the track,” he said this week.

Nobody is trying to pretend that Australia were in brilliant shape when he arrived but they have got worse and the World Cup should be the absolute pinnacle and not somewhere to start a lengthy rebuilding job.

You live by the sword, die by the sword and his decision to axe Quade Cooper and Michael Hooper, in particular, always looked like an error but is starting to seem like an almighty cock-up.

Both players entrusted with filling the jerseys they could’ve been wearing, Carter Gordon and Fraser McReight, have been ditched by Jones ahead of this Wales game in another sign that he’s got it wrong.

What the Wallabies need now more than ever is a bit of leadership and the calming presence of a guy like Cooper or Hooper who has been there and done it and neither seem to most people like they would have been a disruptive influence.

Michael Hooper and Quade Cooper
Michael Hooper and Quade Cooper pose during a Rugby Australia media opportunity launching the Wallabies 2023 Rugby World Cup jersey, at Coogee Oval on June 22, 2023 in Sydney, Australia. (Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

They would’ve spoken their minds though in a way that only an experienced player can and the call to exclude them, and name a 33-man squad where as many as 15 players have five caps or fewer to their name ahead of the tournament, smacks of not wanting to be challenged.

I remember in my career I was afraid to question coaches in my early days at Leicester and then exactly the same when I first broke into the England squad and you don’t feel you can completely be yourself.

Part of that is right as you have to earn your stripes but it changes as you begin to forge a career and certainly when you get to the level Cooper and Hooper are at but it’s Eddie’s way or the highway and he didn’t want players in there that would challenge him.

Surely Cooper could have offered Gordon the benefit of his experience during this tournament, as well as contributing on the field, but the 22-year-old has now been dumped by Jones after he not so long ago said he needed to be backed to the hilt.

We saw similar selection issues with England and you can see some other familiar issues with the Wallabies that we saw crop up again and again on these shores in terms of injuries and the situation with his assistant coaches.

Brad Davis Wallabies
Assistant coach Brad Davis left ahead of the Wallabies’ Rugby World Cup campaign due to “personal reasons”

It’s public knowledge how intense and demanding Jones is to work for and to see Brad Davis leave on the eve of the World Cup after just three months in the job of attack coach should have set alarm bells ringing once more.

Davis is a top coach and spent three years at each of London Irish, Ospreys and Wasps recently, as well as a seven-year stint at Bath, so he isn’t one to walk out on a job lightly and we obviously don’t know the reasons behind it but it’s happened to Jones before.

Max Jorgensen has broken his leg at training this week, which is horrible and could happen at any time, but massive players like Will Skelton and Taniela Tupou are also missing and we’ve seen injury blight Eddie’s time at England too.

All training is tough now at the very top level but I’ve seen first-hand how intense Jones’ training sessions are and when you hear the likes of Chris Ashton talk about how it was too much after he returned from France to pursue an international comeback, it’s fair to question whether that has contributed to the injuries.

Skelton and Tupou are arguably Australia’s two most important players, especially with Jones seemingly wanting to play a power game like he tried for much of his England reign, and you have to manage players like that carefully.

Skelton
Will Skelton of Australia looks on during the Rugby World Cup France 2023 match between Australia and Georgia at Stade de France on September 09, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by Mike Hewitt/Getty Images)

It isn’t immediately obviously how he’s trying to get the Wallabies to play but we saw 40 kicks in play from them against Georgia and another 29 against Fiji, another recurring theme from his time with England.

There was 40 minutes against a second-string All Blacks side in the second Bledisloe Cup game last month where you could see some shape in attack but the six and a half games have been mainly dross. I think you’d get more out of that playing group without him in charge.

Players have been kicking the life out of the ball and it’s anti-Australian rugby really because their identity or culture is to attack and show creativity. That kick first style goes against everything that’s in their DNA.

We know rugby union is struggling in Australia at the moment, with rugby league and Aussie rules more dominant than ever, and I think the ARU might have been seduced by his ability to work the media and get eyeballs on the sport rather than looking at his recent coaching record.

You have to say he does a good job of drawing attention to himself rather than his players and that has certainly been the case this week but it’s the Eddie Jones show again and it’s time to put up or shut up against Wales.

Eddie Jones
Eddie Jones at pre-match training with the Wallabies

At 63-years-old, Jones is the oldest head coach at this World Cup and only his opposite number this weekend, Warren Gatland, has coached more games at the biggest tournament of all.

There’s no doubt he’s an autocratic figure and perhaps his leadership and coaching style isn’t effective any more in the modern game and with players nowadays, it’s certainly been a good few years since we’ve seen it get consistent results.

He’s been around the block and is the only man to lose two World Cup finals as a head coach so he’s seen a few big games but there’s no doubt this is among the biggest in his long coaching career.

Whether it will is another matter but if he loses and presides over the embarrassment of a first pool stage exit at the World Cup in Wallabies history, in a pool that has none of the top six teams in the world in it, I think it should be curtains for the good of Australian rugby.

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Anthony 419 days ago

Jones blusters and hides the fact he ,like aged players , is way past his best. Out of date tactics and staff leaving in droves.
To say he did not have time with the Aussies is forgetting how long he had with England .
He left a chaotic mess.
To say we will take any win is typically English.
Why not win by running the ball .
To go into games with a predetermined Ford up and under tactics is deplorable.
Look at the 2003 England team centres and how many tries they scored .
The ball hardly gets past 10 and then if he runs , its sideways into their space and cramps the whole back line.
Its dreamland to think Borthwick will change .
Kick chase is all he relies on .
Saturday was a one off and great to watch .
Just dont think england will do it against top teams .

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Euan 421 days ago

Hopefully, yes.

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S 421 days ago

Change the record, Goodey. Same old formula of "no insight, tonnes of formulaic opinion, calling for heads for spice/attention". RugbyPass has good journalists. Get out of their way, perhaps?

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tom 421 days ago

Even if Aus win tomorrow and make the QF they are unlikely to go to SF stage. Would Australian rugby be able to afford to pay off EJ 4 years early? Who would replace him? I think whatever happens he will be bruised but safe.

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matt 421 days ago

Aust rugby has been on the decline for over 2 decades - can't put it all on Jones. We don't have the talent coming up through the ranks as we used to or RL is pilfering our better players. It's become a bunch of Mac trucks bashing and crashing their way up the field - no flair, creativity or true running rugby anymore. Just look at Fiji; once revered for exciting, running rugby - gone!

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G 421 days ago

Never should have been hired to begin with ...but he will find someone else to swindle

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David 421 days ago

Typical comments from Andy Goode, don’t know what Eddie said to him but he has been after him for a long time and do you see the way he mocks Steve borthwick trying to make him out as a thick northerner, I wonder if he would do it to his face??

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dan 421 days ago

Both Cooper and Hooper played in the diabolical loss to to the Boks in EJ’s first game back. Tbh Hooper looked like he was struggling in the last games of the SR competition; Cooper probably should Ben there at least as a mentor to Carter Gordon. But they are hardly controversial omissions given that both are well past their prime.

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mitch 421 days ago

Eddie works hard and expects everyone to work hard. When things get tough he works harder and pushes everyone harder. If the Wallabies get into the knock out stages then this will stand help them but they may well implode tomorrow and go out. Eddie has got selections wrong, prep wrong, tactics wrong, coaches wrong but he hasn’t had time on his side. The wallabies forwards need to dominate tomorrow with and without the ball and at set piece, if they can they are a chance of a bonus point win, if they don’t then it’s all over red rover. Donaldson needs time and space.

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BigMaul 421 days ago

I’ve been saying all these things about Eddie for about 5 years. Good to see the media catching up - they were too seduced by his press conference antics for most of his time with England.

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JW 23 minutes ago
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Yeah nar I pretty much agree with that sentiment, wasn't just about the lineout though.


Yeah, I think it's the future of SR, even TRC. Graham above just now posting about how good a night it was with a dbl header of ENGvSA and NZvFrance, and now I don't want to kick SA or Argentina out of TRC but it would be great if in this next of the woods 2 more top teams could come in to create more of these sort of nights (for rugby's appeal). Often Arg and SA and both travel here and you get those games but more often doesn't work out right.


Obviously a long way off but USA and Japan are the obvious two. First thing we need to do is get Eddie Jones kicked out of Japan so they can start improving again and then get a couple of US teams in SRP (even if one its just a US based and augmented Jaguares).


It will start off the whole conferences are crap debate again (which I will continue to argue vehemently against), but imagine a 6 team Pacific conference, Tokyo Sunwolves (drafted from Tokyo JRLO teams), Tokyo All Stars (made up of best remaining foreign players and overseas drafts), ALL Nihon (best of local non Tokyo based talent, inc China/Korea etc, with mainland Japan), a could of West Coast american franchises and perhaps a second self PI driven Hawai'i based team, or Jagaures. So I see a short NFL like 3 or 4 month comp as fitting best, maybe not even a full round, NZvAUSvPAC, all games taking place within a 6hr window. Model for NZ will definitely still require a competitive and funded NPC!


On the Crusaders, I liked last years ending with Grace on the bench (ovbiously form dependent but thats how it ended) and Lio-Willie at 8. I could have Blackadder trying to be a 7 but think balance will be used with him at 6 and Kellow as 7. Scott Barrett is an international 6 sized player. It is just NZ style/model that pushes him into the tight, I reckon he'd be a great loose player, and saders have Strange and Cahill as bigger players (plus that change could draw someone like Darry back). Same with Haig now, hes not grown yet but Barrett hight and been playing 6, now that the Highlanders have only chosen two locks he'll be playing lock, and that is going to change his growth trajectory massively, rather than seeing him grow like an International 6.

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Tom 40 minutes ago
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Interesting post. I realise that try was down to Marcus Smith not Slade, this is why I mentioned that England's attack is completely reliant on Smith working miracles. Just wanted to highlight that Slade's little touch was classy and most English players would have cocked it up. Earl has gas, he's very athletic but Underhill is nailed on at 7 in my eyes though. They both need to be on the pitch so we need a tall 6 or 8 to complement them which we have in CCS and potentially Ollie Chessum. We also have young Henry Pollock who may be the 7 by the world cup.


The whole attack needs an overhaul but Richard Wigglesworth our attack coach was a very limited scrum half who excelled at box kicking and had no running game. Spent most of his career with Saracens who mauled, defended and set pieced their way to victory.... Which might have been ok if Felix Jones hadn't quit and been replaced by a guy who coaches Oyonnax who have one of the worst defences in the French 2nd division. I'm not too emotionally invested in England right now because this coaching setup isn't capable of winning anything.


England had no attack when they were winning under Eddie either. They battered teams with huge dominant tackles and won from pressure. The last time England had any creativity in attack was the Stuart Lancaster/Mike Catt era. They played some fantastic attacking rugby but results were mediocre, lots of 2nd place finishes in the 6N although it felt like we were building something special until we got brutally dumped out of our home world cup in the pool stage.

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JW 1 hour ago
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As has been the way all year, and for all England's play I can remember. I missed a lot of the better years under Eddie though.


Lets have a look at the LQB for the last few games... 41% under 3 sec compared to 56% last week, 47% in the game you felt England best in against NZ, and 56 against Ireland.


That was my impression as well. Dunno if that is a lack of good counterattack ball from the D, forward dominance (Post Contact Meters stats reversed yesterday compared to that fast Ireland game), or some Borthwick scheme, but I think that has been highlighted as Englands best point of difference this year with their attack, more particularly how they target using it in certain areas. So depending on how you look at it, not necessarily the individual players.


You seem to be falling into the same trap as NZs supporters when it comes to Damien McKenzie. That play you highlight Slade in wasn't one of those LQB situations from memory, that was all on the brilliance of Smith. Sure, Slade did his job in that situation, but Smith far exceeded his (though I understand it was a move Sleightholme was calling for). But yeah, it's not always going to be on a platter from your 10 and NZ have been missing that Slade line, in your example, more often than not too. When you go back to Furbank and Feyi-Waboso returns you'll have that threat again. Just need to generate that ball, wait for some of these next Gen forwards to come through etc, the props and injured 6 coming back to the bench. I don't think you can put Earl back to 7, unless he spends the next two years speeding up (which might be good for him because he's getting beat by speed like he's not used to not having his own speed to react anymore).

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