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'Is this the greatest All Blacks v Springboks XV of all time?'

(Photo by Anesh Debiky/AFP via Getty Images)

Last Friday night’s All Blacks versus Springboks clash at Twickenham was one of the most atmospheric occasions at English rugby HQ in many a year, the stadium concourse wedged house before kick-off as excited fans congregated early in great anticipation of a southern hemisphere blockbuster just a fortnight out from the start of the 2023 Rugby World Cup.

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The novelty of this northern hemisphere venue for this fixture was reflected in programme sales, the issue for this first staging of the Qatar Airways Cup quickly becoming a sell-out.

For those fortunate enough to get a copy, the 64-page issue contained a fantastic debating point article – Is this the greatest All Blacks v Springboks XV of all time?

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In it, an unnamed writer decided to ignite the debate of what a composite XV of two of the world’s most successful sides would be like.

“Which country boasts the best player in each position is an argument that most Springbok and All Blacks fans will happily bicker over forever,” began the feature.

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“But what would that side look like if we put together a hypothetical, magical first XV composite team from the two most successful sides in rugby history? Let the good-natured arguments commence.”

In the end, the Springboks narrowly shaded the selection, getting eight players included compared to seven All Blacks. Here are the position-by-position picks along with honourable mentions given for the next-best from 15 to nine and one to eight:

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Composite All Blacks/Springboks XV:
15. Christian Cullen (New Zealand) – Honourable mention: Ben Smith, Willie le Roux;
14. Bryan Habana (South Africa) – HM: John Kirwan, Joe Rokocoko;
13. Jean de Villiers (South Africa) – HM: Jaque Fourie, Conrad Smith ;
12. Ma’a Nonu (New Zealand) – HM: Sonny-Bill Williams, Frans Steyn;
11. Jonah Lomu (New Zealand) – HM: Doug Howlett, James Small;
10. Dan Carter (New Zealand) – HM: Handre Pollard, Andrew Mehrtens;
9. Joost van der Westhuizen (South Africa) – HM: Aaron Smith, Fourie du Preez;
1. Os du Randt (South Africa) – HM: Tony Woodcock, Craig Dowd;
2. John Smit (South Africa) – HM: Sean Fitzpatrick, Bismarck du Plessis;
3. Carl Hayman (New Zealand) – HM: Tendai Mtawarira, Owen Franks;
4. Sam Whitelock (New Zealand) – HM: Victor Matfield, Ian Jones;
5. Bakkies Botha (South Africa) – HM: Brodie Retallick, Eben Etzebeth;
6. Schalk Burger (South Africa) – HM: Jerry Collins, Juan Smith;
7. Richie McCaw (New Zealand) – HM: Michael Jones, Siya Kolisi;
8. Duane Vermeulen (South Africa) – HM: Kieran Read, Zinzan Broke.

Each selection came with a short description of why that particular player was picked. For example, here is what was written about second row Botha: “Most engine rooms need an enforcer and few are bigger and more terrifying than Botha, whose ‘dark arts’ have been etched into rugby folklore.

“A winner of the Rugby World Cup in 2007, Botha also tasted success with Toulon on the Cote d’Azur where his 19st frame, booming laugh and raw power was appreciated by every coach he came into contact with and feared by opponents.”

As for McCaw, the description read: “He wasn’t the biggest back row, he wasn’t the strongest back row and he wasn’t the fastest back row, but McCaw had a top-of-the-range diesel engine that could run and run which, allied to genuine rugby intellect and the smarts to play on the very edge of the rule book, saw him revered globally.

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“McCaw was also an inspirational leader who would never expect a fellow teammate to do anything he wasn’t prepared to do. A bona fide legend.”

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Pecos 447 days ago

Zinzan "Broke" indeed.

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Bob Marler 447 days ago

Andre Joubert ahead of Willie.

Fourie ahead of Joost.

Eben ahead of Bakkies. Sorry Bakkies.

Kieran ahead of Duane. Sorry Duane.

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dave 447 days ago

Pieter Van Zyl is an incredibly underrated South African specimen. An athletic lightweight compared to South Africa's current props, he had a way of dealing with referees not seen since Bakkes Botha. Caused McCaw to lose his temper which was very hard to do. Would waltz into today's front row rotation in a canter.

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Rugger 449 days ago

FDp best scrummy - Joost highest points scorer 39 tries in 81 tests almost 1/2 & higher % of tests were vs NZ & Aus [whilst still a serious Union nation]

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Thomas 449 days ago

I'm not a fan of comparing amateur era players to the pro era. Different sport.
Not a bad list, but I'd make a couple of changes.
Ben Smith over Cullen for me. Percy Montgomery over Willie Le Roux.
Kirwan in HM? LOL. Ahead of Julian Savea, Kolbe, or Mapimpi? Just no way :D
Etzebeth over Botha any day.
Jerome Kaino, the best #6 of all time doesn't even get an HM? Nope.

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Beaudy 449 days ago

Cant leave beauden out imo, 2x world player of the year. Willie Le roux is good, but not one off the greatest players ever

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Silk 450 days ago

I would put Fourie du Preez above Joost. Victor Matfield above Whitelock and Zinzan above Vermeulen. Michael Jones above McCaW.
I'm Bok supporter.

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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