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'It is what it is': All Blacks have no complaints over card decisions

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All Blacks head coach Ian Foster said that his side ran into a ‘very desperate’ Ireland side in Dunedin that was hellbent on reversing last week’s 42-19 loss.

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Whilst it was in the second quarter last week where the All Blacks exploded with three tries, it was a chaotic period at Forsyth Barr that saw the home side receive two yellow cards and one red.

Foster praised they way his side handled the setbacks with the team scoring right on halftime through Beauden Barrett despite holding a one man deficit. Going into the sheds down 10-7 was a bonus result for an All Black side that was under serious pressure.

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“It was an Irish team that turned up very, very desperate,” Foster said in his post-match review.

“Again, we had a couple of starts that were sub-standard which we’ve got to improve on but I love the attitude in the team through that rather chaotic quarter where things were happening with cards and everything.

“To finish where we finished that first half I thought was a real test of character for us.

“That try in the second half again hurt us and trying to play catch-up with 14 men is never easy against a really well-organised defensive team but there was probably an unacceptable amount of errors in terms of handling stuff but a lot of that was due to pressure and trying to force things and trying to create space against what Ireland were doing.

Angus Ta’avao’s red card for head-to-head contact on Ireland’s centre Garry Ringrose came just after Ofa Tuungafasi had been yellow carded for an early tackle on Ringrose, leaving the All Blacks down two props.

Foster said that the All Blacks had no complaints about the spate of cards during the first half.

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“It is what it is. I think there’ll be no one that saw it as intentional but it was certainly a head-on-head contact,” he said.

“Two yellow cards previously … the officials were reasonably clear on that. I probably don’t see a lot different from Ofa tackling somebody when he accepted the dummy and then them not getting a yellow card for James Lowe on Quinn but we’re not grizzling about the cards.”

In the chaos of managing the absence of two props, the All Blacks first substituted blindside Dalton Papalii for Angus Ta’avao, but then substituted No 8 Ardie Savea for Aidan Ross once Ta’avao received his red card.

Because Savea was subbed due to a red card, the match officials refused to allow the All Black loose forward back into the game, a contentious ruling that has come under the spotlight after the game.

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Hooker Codie Taylor admitted that he was as shocked as anyone as he was unaware of the rule in that situation and not having Savea on the field was a big loss for the side.

“To be honest, I didn’t even realise at the time. I didn’t know the rules – I don’t know the rules,” he said.

“For me, I was just in the game and thought around that whole situation with people going off, I think the leaders in those scenarios stepped up tonight – especially
that first half.

“We got pretty desperate and I think we came together pretty well but when you’re down to 13 men at one point against a pretty classy Irish side, you’re going to put yourself under pressure.”

“He’s one of the best players, if not the best player in the world at the moment. When he goes off the field, with his ability you want him on the field. I’m not quite sure what happened there – I think there’s a bit of rules or something.

“You want all your men on the field, of course, but someone of that calibre, you definitely want on the park.”

All Black halfback Aaron Smith said it was skill execution, not defensive pressure from Ireland, that ultimately cost the home side.

The scoreboard pressure Ireland had built did play apart and they closed the game out on top of that.

“Not exactly. I think playing with 14 men is pretty tough for a large period of that game,” Smith said.

“We knew we were going to have to be a lot better. There were a lot of things we could control with our clean outs, our ball carry, and like I said, around our skill execution of forcing things maybe.

“We were just a bit off. They really put us away. They had that scoreboard pressure, that 10-point buffer, had us have to start playing a bit more.”

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IAN 892 days ago

I believe that soon after the game Jaco Peyper was contacted by SkyCity Queenstown. They were so impressed by his ability to deal cards, they offered him the head croupier's job.

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ric 892 days ago

I don't think many people are complaining about the decision ....it is as the laws states. People are upset that the other 14 players have to get punished for 50 or so minute because of arguably an accident made by one of their players.....people feel ripped off. Maybe Ireland would have won anyway if the AB's could bring on another player after 20 mins...we'll never know , but i would rather have seen them beat a 15 man AB's than a 14 man team

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JW 5 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Like I've said before about your idea (actually it might have been something to do with mine, I can't remember), I like that teams will a small sustainable league focus can gain the reward of more consistent CC involvement. I'd really like the most consistent option available.


Thing is, I think rugby can do better than footballs version. I think for instance I wanted everyone in it to think they can win it, where you're talking about the worst teams not giving up because they are so far off the pace we get really bad scoreline when that and giving up to concentrate on the league is happening together.


So I really like that you could have a way to remedy that, but personally I would want my model to not need that crutch. Some of this is the same problem that football has. I really like the landscape in both the URC and Prem, but Ireland with Leinster specifically, and France, are a problem IMO. In football this has turned CL pool stages in to simply cash cow fixtures for the also ran countries teams who just want to have a Real Madrid or ManC to lose to in their pool for that bumper revenue hit. It's always been a comp that had suffered for real interest until the knockouts as well (they might have changed it in recent years?).


You've got some great principles but I'm not sure it's going to deliver on that hard hitting impact right from the start without the best teams playing in it. I think you might need to think about the most minimal requirement/way/performance, a team needs to execute to stay in the Champions Cup as I was having some thougt about that earlier and had some theory I can't remember. First they could get entry by being a losing quarter finalist in the challenge, then putting all their eggs in the Champions pool play bucket in order to never finish last in their pool, all the while showing the same indifference to their league some show to EPCR rugby now, just to remain in champions. You extrapolate that out and is there ever likely to be more change to the champions cup that the bottom four sides rotate out each year for the 4 challenge teams? Are the leagues ever likely to have the sort of 'flux' required to see some variation? Even a good one like Englands.


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fl 3 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Right, so even if they were the 4 worst teams in Champions Cup, you'd still have them back by default?"

I think (i) this would literally never happen, (ii) it technically couldn't quite happen, given at least 1 team would qualify via the challenge cup, so if the actual worst team in the CC qualified it would have to be because they did really well after being knocked down to the challenge cup.

But the 13th-15th teams could qualify and to be fair I didn't think about this as a possibility. I don't think a team should be able to qualify via the Champions Cup if they finish last in their group.


Overall though I like my idea best because my thinking is, each league should get a few qualification spots, and then the rest of the spots should go to the next best teams who have proven an ability to be competitive in the champions cup. The elite French clubs generally make up the bulk of the semi-final spots, but that doesn't (necessarily) mean that the 5th-8th best French clubs would be competitive in a slimmed down champions cup. The CC is always going to be really great competition from the semis onwards, but the issue is that there are some pretty poor showings in the earlier rounds. Reducing the number of teams would help a little bit, but we could improve things further by (i) ensuring that the on-paper "worst" teams in the competition have a track record of performing well in the CC, and (ii) by incentivising teams to prioritise the competition. Teams that have a chance to win the whole thing will always be incentivised to do that, but my system would incentivise teams with no chance of making the final to at least try to win a few group stage matches.


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