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'It reminds me of the 2007 World Cup': Eddie Jones has conceded Test rugby is currently dull

By PA
(Photo by David Rogers/The RFU Collection via Getty Images)

England boss Eddie Jones is confident rugby will emerge from a dull period dominated by defences after conceding it is currently a sport that excites only purists. Jones is preparing his England team for Sunday’s Autumn Nations Cup final against France at Twickenham after presiding over business-like wins against Georgia, Ireland and Wales that produced few thrills.

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Disillusionment has grown over the lack of ambition that has swept through the game since a successful 2019 World Cup, with defence, set-piece and kicking dominating matches at the expense of entertainment.

Even former England captain Dylan Hartley admitted the emphasis on shutting down opponents had been “boring” and there is a perceptible frustration amongst players of all nations that it has become more profitable to play without the ball.

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Jones refuses to promise fireworks when 2020 concludes for England with a rematch of his side’s solitary defeat this year but insists attacks will ignite once again when the current cycle ends.

“We’d like to dominate France and how we do that will depend on what sort of game it is. We can’t control that,” Jones said. “Just looking at rugby at the moment, it’s certainly a tough, physical game. A real game for the purists at the moment.

“It reminds me of the 2007 World Cup where defences were pretty dominant and kicking was one of the major ways to get ahead in the game. We go through these periods in the game. The next cycle is always an attacking one, so let’s enjoy the defensive cycle we have at the moment and look forward to the attacking cycle when it comes.

“When that happens is always dependent on the laws – when we get quick ball we’re able to play with some space and some time. You just look at every side in the world now, they’re so much better organised in defence. Everyone’s getting off the line hard and time and space are at a premium. Unless we are able to get quick ball it’s very difficult to play with any fluency.”

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The Autumn Nations Cup final has been devalued by an agreement between France and the Top 14 clubs over player access that means head coach Fabien Galthie is missing 25 front-line internationals. The entire starting XV that sent England spinning to a 24-17 defeat in February is unavailable, including the likes of Antoine Dupont, Virimi Vakatawa and Gregory Alldritt.

It turns the final into a hollow occasion, but it is another opportunity for Jones to distance his recently crowned Six Nations champions from last autumn’s World Cup final defeat by South Africa. “We’re looking forward to the game, we’re so excited about it. We’ve worked hard for nine weeks to get to this position,” he said.

“We can’t control what the opposition puts out there, we’re not even worrying about it. You know whatever side France puts out is going to be competitive. They’re going to be tough, they’ve won the last two Under-20 World Cups so they have plenty of good players. We’re not concerned about this one iota – it’s out of our control. All we can do is play to our best. We’re worried about our performance and how we can improve that.

“In a championship, the final week is always the greatest learning week. You learn a lot about yourselves, about your teammates, about how you operate as a team. We’ve had one unsuccessful final in the last 13 months, so we’ve learned from that and we’d like to put our learnings into practice this week.

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“I’d like to congratulate the organisers of the tournament. They’ve done a fantastic job to put it on in such difficult circumstances. It’s quite a feat and it’s been good, competitive rugby. We’re pleased to be in the final but there’s one game to go.”

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JW 5 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I had a look at the wiki article again, it's all terribly old data (not that I'd see reason for much change in the case of SA).

Number Of Clubs:

1526

Registered+Unregistered Players:

651146

Number of Referees:

3460

Pre-teen Male Players:

320842

Pre-teen Female Player:

4522

Teen Male Player:

199213

Teen Female Player:

4906

Senior Male Player:

113174

Senior Female Player:

8489

Total Male Player:

633229

Total Female Player:

17917


So looking for something new as were more concerned with adults specifically, so I had a look at their EOY Financial Review.

The total number of clubs remains consistent, with a marginal increase of 1% from 1,161 to 1,167. 8.1.

A comparative analysis of verified data for 2022 and 2023 highlights a marginal decline of 1% in the number of female players, declining from 6,801 to 6,723. Additionally, the total number of players demonstrates an 8% decrease, dropping from 96,172 to 88,828.

So 80k+ adult males (down from 113k), but I'm not really sure when youth are involved with SAn clubs, or if that data is for some reason not being referenced/included. 300k male students however (200k in old wiki data).


https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2020/07/28/212ed9cf-cd61-4fa3-b9d4-9f0d5fb61116/P56-57-Participation-Map_v3.pdf has France at 250k registered but https://presse-europe1-fr.translate.goog/exclu-europe-1-le-top-10-des-sports-les-plus-pratiques-en-france-en-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp has them back up at 300k registered.


The French number likely Students + Club, but everyone collects data different I reckon. In that WR pdf for instance a lot of the major nations have a heavily registered setup, were as a nation like England can penetrate into a lot more schools to run camps and include them in the reach of rugby. For instance the SARU release says only 29% of schools are reached by proper rugby programs, where as the 2million English number would be through a much much higer penetration I'd imagine. Which is thanks to schools having the ability to involve themselves in programs more than anything.


In any case, I don't think you need to be concerned with the numbers, whether they are 300 or 88k, there is obviously a big enough following for their pro scenes already to have enough quality players for a 10/12 team competition. They appear ibgger than France but I don't really by the lower English numbers going around.

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