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'It wasn't us' - All Blacks react to Rugby World Cup spying drama

Jean-Pierre Farandou CEO of SNCFtalks to the media as the New Zealand All Blacks squad arrives at Gare de Lyon on September 06, 2023 in Paris, France. New Zealand face France in the opening match of Rugby World Cup France 2023 on Friday September 8, 2023 (Photo by Glenn Gervot - World Rugby/World Rugby via Getty Images)

All Blacks head coach Ian Foster has denied any knowledge of the Rugby World Cup’s so-called spying scandal, never mind New Zealand having anything to do with it.

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Earlier this week The Telegraph reported that a leading tier one country had approached World Rugby for clarification around potential sanctions being brought against a side should they be found spying on another team.

The press put the question to Foster on Wednesday, with the All Blacks boss quickly booting the question into touch.

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“No, I haven’t heard of that. It wasn’t us. Was anyone spying on us? I guess it’s ‘Welcome to the World Cup’. It’s that simple. There’s lots of pressure on, people react in different ways. It’s an exciting time, everyone is looking for an edge. I’m not sure where that’s coming from. I’m pretty confident we’ve been training alone, but who knows?”

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Spying in rugby union is nothing new, with the issue raising its head over the years in the sport and is frequently a talking point at Rugby World Cups. Back in 2019, then England head coach Eddies Jones had security posted around their Pennyhill Park training pitch prior to the Six Nations, and it’s an accusation that is often levelled at teams from Test level right down to schoolboy rugby.

“Around 20 years ago it(spying) was quite common when there wasn’t much vision around so you used to send coaches out to have a look at the opposition and put them with hats on and all sorts of things,” said Jones at the time. “That used to go on but I haven’t seen much of it of late because there is such an abundance of vision you can get on teams you don’t really need to do that.”

Sir Clive Woodward went to extraordinary lengths to keep his training ground runs secret during the successful 2003 World Cup campaign and while he was in charge of the 2005 British and Irish Lions.

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While Foster seemed non-plussed with the news, Wales head coach Warren Gatland said he wasn’t surprised.

“I am not surprised that concerns have been raised about spying ahead of the start of the Rugby World Cup in France,” he wrote in his Telegraph column. “As a head coach you are always suspicious that your training sessions might be being secretly recorded, particularly when you are playing away from home.

“We use drones to film our own sessions, but it is hard to be sure that there are no other drones monitoring from long distance. The technology in cameras now is such that you could probably be a couple of miles away and able to discreetly film training away from security.”

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Bob Marler 468 days ago

Wonder what the ABs would gain from spying anyway. What good coaching looks like?

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Bob Marler 470 days ago

Are there actually any world rugby rules against spying? Asking for a friend who denies being a spy but is just curious.

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yster 470 days ago

Does anybody really need to spy on Wales or Gatland, he also cries foul and has never really delivered the results, best Kiwi coaches stay in NZ, Razor will be refreshing and necessary. Jacques Nienaber and Rassie are correct, so much footage available why would someone need to spy?

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Riekert 470 days ago

Don't worry about spying, worry about Susie 1995!!

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Paul 471 days ago

I'm a spy. Got a fake mo and glasses even.

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Dave 471 days ago

I picked the spies to win the World cup

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Ben Smith is a Dick 471 days ago

The poms have got James 007 on the case whereas the Welsh have got Austin Powers

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MattJH 471 days ago

That’s exactly the response a spy would give

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GrahamVF 1 hour ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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