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'It's an important meeting': Why Lions want to talk to ref Berry

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Warren Gatland has revealed he is set for an important meeting on Thursday afternoon to help ensure the Lions get a fair crack of the whip when it comes to the refereeing decisions that will be made in the three-match Test series versus the Springboks which opens this Saturday with Australia’s Nic Berry in charge.

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So far in South Africa, the five Lions matches have been officiated by two South Africans (AJ Jacobs and Jaco Peyper) and an Englishman (Wayne Barnes), but that complexion will now change for the Test series where New Zealander Ben O’Keeffe and Frenchman Mathieu Raynal – touch judges this Saturday – will respectively take charge of the second and third Test games after Berry has had first dibs with the whistle.

Gatland wants to ensure there will be a consistency between the officiating the Lions have encountered so far in their five warm-up matches with what they will encounter in the series. “We have a meeting with the referees tomorrow [Thursday] at 3 o’clock,” he said after confirming the first Test starting line-up comprising a half-dozen England players along with three each from Ireland, Scotland and Wales.

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“What has been good with the referees in the lead-up games is we have had meetings with them in terms of debriefing the previous game and looking at the game going forward and trying to get that real consistency of the calls that are being made.

“That will be very much the discussion tomorrow in terms of what he [Berry] has seen in the previous games and we will show some clips just to get some clarity so it’s the same messages that we have had in the warm-up games, are they seeing the same things and refereeing the same things.

“It’s an important meeting for us tomorrow in terms of just getting that clarity in the way they have seen us from afar and then also the same messages that are being delivered from the three referees we have had in those lead-up games are the same messages.”

Gatland came away from last week’s midweek loss to a star-studded South Africa A team bemoaning how opposition scrum-half Faf de Klerk was only yellow carded for his head contact with Josh Navidi. After initially suggesting it should have been a red card, he accepted the yellow decision after a meeting with the referees prior to Saturday’s win over the Stormers.

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While the Lions were beaten by a South Africa A side containing nine of the same starters they will face this weekend at Springboks, Gatland felt they did enough to dent some egos heading into the Test series.

“In that A game, we were very happy with the way our lineout went and our maul defence and the way we scrummaged. There were a couple of scrums towards the end where we felt we really dominated them. Whether they come with different variations I don’t think so. They will come with a harder approach.

“That is one aspect – we probably dented a little bit of their ego and had that dominance in those two areas that they would have liked. Incredibly impressed with the way we have defended on this tour and continued to improve. We haven’t conceded a lineout maul try, haven’t conceded a pick and go try close to our goal line.

“That is one aspect we have worked really hard on and if we can stop them dominating in those areas they are going to have to go to something else in their game. Definitely, they will kick a lot. When you play South Africa you can expect 40-odd kicks in a game. That aerial battle is going to be key to us.”

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JPM 2 hours ago
Forget Ireland, the All Blacks face the real alpha of Europe next

Unfortunately you don't know anything about French rugby, coaches and players but still making a lot of assumptions and judgements to push your prefabricated and simplistic point of view that Dupont is manipulating everything and is a bad guy. I am not a NZ rugby specialist and wouldn't dare make such theories about what is going on within the ABs team. Therefore my advice to you is to do like Dupont and stay humble when you don't know all the background of the issues !!!


Firstly if you knew a bit of Galthié, he is not the type of coach who is going to ask advice to his players and even his captain about team selection. He is as stubborn as you...


Second Ramos has played a lot of times as 10 with Toulouse and therefore Dupont (in particular when Ntamack is injured and unfortunately it has often happened recently and for long periods). He even played 10 during the last 3 games of the 2024 6N and this was far better performance than the first two games with Jalibert as 10.


Thirdly Jalibert lacked of respect to a La Rochelle player so your theory is once again out.


Fourth as I explained to you Galthié went for a 6-2 bench and Jalibert can only play 10 which doesn't fit that plan. Furthermore as 15 Buros is better under high balls than Ramos and everybody is prepared for a tactical kicking game.


So you can blame Galthié for a lot of things (as you clearly enjoy doing at the end of your post and you should be very happy as an AB fan) but certainly not Dupont. Sorry once more for your conspiracy theory.


And don't worry about potential disharmony in the French team; they are excellent mates around their captain. Jalibert is well known in the French rugby circles to have not a strong character (and we saw that in the WC quarter finals as he is very nervous in any decisive international game unlike Ntamack and Ramos as for his late penalty kick vs England this year).


In conclusion enjoy the game tmrw night. It is good that the ABs are very upset; we should watch a great game of rugby. I hope for running rugby and not too much kicking. With 5 key players injured on our side (Ntamack, Baille, Atonio, Cros and Penaud) and 2 on your side I and various French fans see you as favourites. I obviously hope for another result.


If you are interested you can read a good article in the Guardian on the subject of France-NZ games.

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KB 2 hours ago
The 'one difference' between Boks and the back-to-back All Blacks

Consistency hasnt been there they have many great players SA were also not unbeaten in the 2023 WC - NZ were in 2015 WC McCaw and Carter Nonu and Smith - SA did not have those Marque players in those postions in 2019 or 2023 - I wouldnt rank them ahead of the 20I5 ABs - They clocked up 60 points against France in the QF - Furthermore I do not believe for one moment SA won 2023 fairly no way - they were so favoured it became obvious that behind the scenes SA the nation bought the title - Their last 3 matches were won by a solitary point there were many contentious decisions that went their way that it became obvious it wasnt coincidence - Sport has been hijacked by a satanic cult just as is Politics

Some players coaches officials and sponsors are involved - they know who they are - its called Freemasonry - any sport that allows betting is corrupt - its not all about money either for these parasites its also about control - Lots of American NFL players have spoken openly about games being scripted - Football is also rigged Referees have been caught on film showing freemason hand signs - The 95 RWC final ranks as the highest and most obvious attempt at cheating There was no way SA were going to allow NZ to gate crash Nelson Mandelas reunification party - NZ were so good they had to posion almost the entire team to get a 3 point win - a Hollywood Movie ( theres your Red Flag ) was made about SAs triumph called Invictus


William Henley wrote a poem called Invictus


It starts


Out of the night that covers me BLACK ( All Blacks ) as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever GODS maybe for my unconquerable Soul ...( Olan says INVICTUS is an evil Malevolent entity who corrupted the Titans ... this is Mandelas double meaning speech ( hes a fraud ) - of thanks for helping overcome SA's adversary NZ - There is only ONE true God Yahuah - Only a false god would be complicit in Cheating Corruption and Harming others to win a RWC for a sick and sinful Nation ) the poem ends with


I am the CAPTAIN of my soul


SA will forever bear the stain of guilt and disgrace over their involvement in poisoning the ABs a day before the 95 RWC Final

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CO 2 hours ago
Forget Ireland, the All Blacks face the real alpha of Europe next

I cannot believe that you don't think the French rugby team coach and captain are not discussing putting Jalibert on the bench in favour of Duponts club teammate that doesn't even play at 10.


This is a terrible, massive insult to a 10 and I'm sure Dupont would also be very enraged if benched for a player that doesn't even play halfback.


A good captain would've insisted to the coach that it was an idea of madness and either select Jalibert or replace him with another 10 if you want him to be reserve.


Jalibert may not be the world's finest tacklers but that's often not a tens main strength that the loose forwards and second five cover. An intercept pass is never great but they happen.


When any player is playing for his club then it's club first, respect doesn't need to be shown to opposition players simply because they're internationals.


Who exactly are you claiming Jalibert hasn't respected? If it's Toulouse international players then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this bench demotion out.


The outcome of selecting Jalibert to the bench and he then throwing his croissants out the window of the team bus immediately prior to playing the Allblacks is a disaster that will be team disharmony as any team mates of Jalibert are in a state of anger and revolt so a performance that will be sub optimal against a team that is thirsting for revenge against France.


I don't know about you but the Allblacks are very upset they've lost twice in a row to France and want to put out a statement performance so this preparation by Galthie of creating havoc looks to me like a coach that is clueless.

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