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'It's classic Eddie Jones, isn't it?': England coach's comments refuted

Eddie Jones (Photo by Dan Mullan - RFU/The RFU Collection via Getty Images)

Two Super Rugby centurions have rubbished comments from Eddie Jones that suggested the Wallabies had the rub of the green in their win over England on Saturday.

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Australia lock Darcy Swain was sent from the field in the Xth minute of the match after headbutting opposite Jonny Hill. Despite the numbers advantage, however, England failed to capitalise until the final moments of the match.

With the scores 6-apiece at halftime, Australia scored three tries to England’s one in the following 37 minutes to build a sizeable 16-point lead. England finally burst to life with time almost up on the clock to score two quick tries but it was too little too late, with the home team ultimately triumphing 30-28.

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Eddie Jones and Courtney Lawes following England’s loss to the Wallabies.

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Eddie Jones and Courtney Lawes following England’s loss to the Wallabies.

In England’s post-match press conference, head coach Jones implied that Kiwi referee James Doleman had been more lenient on the Wallabies following Swain’s red card.

“That always happens, mate. If you look at the history of the game, whenever you get a red card, the referee evens it up,” Jones said.

“Social reciprocity. That happens, mate. That’s normal. We’ve got to be good enough to handle it.

“That happens in every game of rugby I’ve seen where a team gets a red card … because they’re nice blokes, referees.

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“I’m not criticising the referee at all, I’m not using it as an excuse, that’s just the reality of rugby.”

Speaking on the latest episode of the Aotearoa Rugby Pod, former Crusaders halfback Bryn Hall and former Blues hooker James Parsons both suggested Jones was simply trying to draw attention away from his team’s less-than-satisfactory performance.

“I don’t think [Australia got the rub of the green],” said Hall, who started at No 9 in the Crusaders’ Super Rugby Pacific grand final victory over the Blues but has not signed to play in Japan. “It’s classic Eddie Jones, isn’t it? To be able to have a [controversial] talking point [after a defeat].

“The Australians were down with the red card for the whole [second half]. For England, you should be really getting yourself up to win that game so it takes away all the external noise that’s been said around how they should have won that game and the way they didn’t perform to get that result.”

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Parsons, who played two tests for the All Blacks in 2014 and 2016, agreed that Jones had simply been trying to distract from his side’s loss and potentially influence the officials for the remainder of the series.

“I think this is Eddie trying to get an adjustment for the second test,” Parsons said. “He’s always got a plan, he’s always got a mind game.

“I saw those comments and thought, ‘Oh I don’t really agree with that’, so I went back and watched afterwards and in my interpretation of the laws, everything was fair and very clear.

“I just think he’s playing games for test two and just trying to get people to think – and look, it worked, because it made me think. But no, I thought it was very well reffed, to be honest.”

England and Australia will square off once more this weekend, this time at Suncorp Stadium in Brisbane. Ireland’s Andrew Brace will take the whistle for the match.

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Roy 900 days ago

If you went back and watched the game and thought the ref was right, you have no right to comment on the game. You've no idea.

He missed Hill pushing someone in the face. Red card, yellow at the very least. He missed a lot at the breakdown ON BOTH SIDES, he got some scrum calls wrong.

It wasn't a great performance from the ref. He is learning to ref at this level so it's fine, he will have learnt a lot.

I think both side could complain about some decisions. I'd say missing Hills face push is the biggest miss because according to the laws it's a red.

So it wasn't well reffed but it wasn't one sided.

And yeah Eddie is just talking shit

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JW 1 hour ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I had a look at the wiki article again, it's all terribly old data (not that I'd see reason for much change in the case of SA).

Number Of Clubs:

1526

Registered+Unregistered Players:

651146

Number of Referees:

3460

Pre-teen Male Players:

320842

Pre-teen Female Player:

4522

Teen Male Player:

199213

Teen Female Player:

4906

Senior Male Player:

113174

Senior Female Player:

8489

Total Male Player:

633229

Total Female Player:

17917


So looking for something new as were more concerned with adults specifically, so I had a look at their EOY Financial Review.

The total number of clubs remains consistent, with a marginal increase of 1% from 1,161 to 1,167. 8.1.

A comparative analysis of verified data for 2022 and 2023 highlights a marginal decline of 1% in the number of female players, declining from 6,801 to 6,723. Additionally, the total number of players demonstrates an 8% decrease, dropping from 96,172 to 88,828.

So 80k+ adult males (down from 113k), but I'm not really sure when youth are involved with SAn clubs, or if that data is for some reason not being referenced/included. 300k male students however (200k in old wiki data).


https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2020/07/28/212ed9cf-cd61-4fa3-b9d4-9f0d5fb61116/P56-57-Participation-Map_v3.pdf has France at 250k registered but https://presse-europe1-fr.translate.goog/exclu-europe-1-le-top-10-des-sports-les-plus-pratiques-en-france-en-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp has them back up at 300k registered.


The French number likely Students + Club, but everyone collects data different I reckon. In that WR pdf for instance a lot of the major nations have a heavily registered setup, were as a nation like England can penetrate into a lot more schools to run camps and include them in the reach of rugby. For instance the SARU release says only 29% of schools are reached by proper rugby programs, where as the 2million English number would be through a much much higer penetration I'd imagine. Which is thanks to schools having the ability to involve themselves in programs more than anything.


In any case, I don't think you need to be concerned with the numbers, whether they are 300 or 88k, there is obviously a big enough following for their pro scenes already to have enough quality players for a 10/12 team competition. They appear ibgger than France but I don't really by the lower English numbers going around.

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