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'It's easy for the fans not to bother' - Shane Williams' stark assessment of Welsh regional rugby

Old Ospreys favourite Shane Williams is craving for regional rugby to rejuvenate itself in Wales (Photo by Stu Forster/Getty Images)

Shane Williams can’t get his head around it. Tickets for Wales matches at the Principality Stadium are as rare as hen’s teeth, yet the local clubs which most of these very same players play for are largely ignored when it comes to the footfall through the turnstiles. 

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Take the stellar career of the legendary Alun-Wyn Jones. So much infectious love is evident for the iconic talisman whenever he wears the red of Wales. However, put him in the black or the white of the Ospreys and the reaction is very, very different. Thanks but no thanks.

The chastening numbers don’t lie. Whereas Wales consistently pack 72,000 into their riverside rugby cathedral in Cardiff, 6,812 was Ospreys’ average home crowd in last term’s PRO14, a figure that had collapsed to 5,545 prior to last night’s rare run-out away from the Liberty Stadium at the Gnoll.

Jones, of course, has yet to be involved this season with the Ospreys, the Wales skipper given an extended break to allow injury niggles from a monumental World Cup campaign to fully heal. But you catch the drift: the same Welsh people who are so very quick to express their adulation for Test rugby run the proverbial mile away from watching their ‘heroes’ up close on club duty.  

What gives? “It’s easy for the fans not to bother because there are so many other things going on now,” shrugged Williams, the record Wales try-scorer, when asked by RugbyPass about the depressing regional rugby landscape. “They have got a football team to support. They have got local rugby and football and unfortunately in Wales, we have got a fickle nation. We do enjoy being victorious and we get very critical when things aren’t going our way. 

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“Sometimes it’s easier to sit in the house and watch it on Premier Sports than it is to get down to Liberty Stadium when it is soaking wet on a Saturday afternoon or a Friday evening. And then you have got the other sports to contend with, especially football, so it is difficult. 

“I see it not only at regional rugby, I see it at grassroots rugby where there was a time when my boy was playing under-11s rugby and we could barely get nine or ten players to come out and play whereas with football they were scratching two sides together. It is a problem. It really is a problem.

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“You almost think someone like Alun-Wyn deserves a full crowd every week,” he continued. “Especially with the effort and the performances he puts in for club and country and it is difficult to watch. 

“It’s for the players around Alun-Wyn to say ‘right, okay, enough is enough. We need to start performing, we need to start getting people interested in coming back into the stadiums again, we want bums on seats, we want the youngsters to want to go and watch Ospreys or the Scarlets or whatever and we can’t only rely on our top players’. 

“The likes of Alun-Wyn, (Justin) Tipuric, the experiences of James Hook, we are relying on them a little bit too much. It’s about taking pride in your region, taking pride in your performances and only that will get you victories and only that well get you bums on seats. 

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“It is a shame. I’m sure Alun-Wyn won’t say anything about it but we want to see the likes of Alun-Wyn playing in full capacity grounds week in week out because he puts the effort in and he wants to win these games… at the moment it is quite dire.”


It was 2011 when Williams – the now 42-year-old who spent most of his club career at Ospreys having made the breakthrough at Neath – won the last of his 87 Wales caps. He remains a celebrity judging by the number of people who approached him for pictures at a Cardiff City stadium function last Wednesday.

He’d love it, though, if the attention was similarly hectic for current Ospreys players at the Liberty. Sceptics might say crowds don’t matter, that players are paid to play whatever their surroundings. But in issuing a rallying cry for people to come out and support, Williams is adamant an atmosphere makes a tangible difference.

“I would just say the boys need you,” he ventured when asked what could he say to convince people to get dressed up for the winter weather and make their way to either the Liberty, Parc Y Scarlets, Arms Park or Rodney Parade. These venues had attracted only a combined 65,037 for its dozen PRO14 matches this season before this weekend’s action was left in the shade by the mass gathering for Wales versus the Barbarians at Principality Stadium.

“They need the support, they need an atmosphere. We are doing everything we can to win these games. We don’t go out to try and lose and any kind of help would certainly make a difference. As a player, I remember playing in the Liberty Stadium in front of 18,500 supporters.

“The game was much easier than when it was in front of 2,000 on a Friday night where it was pouring down knowing that these people have come to watch us play and we are not playing well. It’s difficult. No one goes out to lose. We [regional rugby] is in a bad patch, especially at the Ospreys. Hopefully, we are trying our best to get out of it.”

It was 2003 when a blowtorch was taken to the Welsh set-up. Nine Welsh clubs had been involved in the underwhelming early days of the Celtic League but in a radical effort to become more competitive in that tournament and in Europe, five new regions were formulated, a number quickly cut to four with the disbandment of Celtic Warriors, an amalgamation of Pontypridd and Bridgend.  


The revamp wasn’t universally popular but Williams still thinks all these years later it was the correct rejig for professional club rugby in Wales. “It was the right thing to do,” he insisted. “It was I suppose the best way for us to be successful in Europe. You had nine clubs and were quite saturated with players. Yes, you had good teams, good traditional historic teams that people are still supporting and of course they should. 

“I was Neath through and through, However, a Neath or a Llanelli or a Pontypridd or a Cardiff would not have been pushing for silverware in Europe. I know we haven’t done that in the European Cup as such but we have done it in the Challenge Cup which goes to show we do have good players and good regions within our ranks. It has just been through a dire, dire couple of years where an example is we didn’t know last March if our regions were going to be amalgamating and becoming one, Scarlets in with the Ospreys. That doesn’t help matters. 

“The fact that players don’t realise where their next contract is coming from has resulted in some players going across the bridge and we’re losing out on that side of it. It is sad. We have had a bad 24 months in Welsh regional rugby and hopefully that gets addressed now and we can move on because we do have some really good talent in Wales. 

“We do have good youngsters coming through but at the moment it is very disjointed from your international players down to your academy players and it is a shame… starting from scratch again is great in hindsight, but when the regions did start we had a good template.

“We knew what we wanted to do and we got some really good players in the regions. I can only speak from experience. We had the likes of Tommy Bowe, Filo Tiatia, Marty Holah and these guys at the Ospreys. We do want to get our Welsh players back in Wales now and that is probably a priority, but we sometimes need a few headliners, players that are world experience, world-renowned, world-known that can also help the experience of a youngster coming through. We have fallen away from that. 

“What else can you do? I’m a Neath man through and through and always will be and we need to work more closely with our clubs. There was a time when the Ospreys worked closely with Swansea, Aberavon, Neath and had almost like a feeder system coming through. That kind of fell away down to political nonsense. Hopefully, that is something that can bring back.

“We are very lucky there are some fantastic stadiums in Wales that we are unfortunately unable to fill at the moment. What do you do to change that? You need to start winning, need to start getting results and another flip side is you need to have the financing to do that as well.  

“There are lots of things you would love to change, it’s just being in control and unfortunately we don’t have that in Wales at the moment. We don’t have the benefactors that the likes of the English Premiership or France have really and we are still playing catch-up. 

“There is a lot of things that need to change. People want to see headliners, people want to see good players playing in the leagues, they want to see the youngsters coming through and performing but as far as I am concerned, it is about getting those victories. 

“It will bring supporters, without a doubt. The endeavours are there, but there is just a lot of things missing at the moment.”

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Tom 55 minutes ago
What is the future of rugby in 2025?

Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol! Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol! Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol!


It's incredible to see the boys playing like this. Back to the form that saw them finish on top of the regular season and beat Toulon to win the challenge cup. Ibitoye and Ravouvou doing a cracking Piutau/Radradra impression.


It's abundantly clear that Borthwick and Wigglesworth need to transform the England attack and incorporate some of the Bears way. Unfortunately until the Bears are competing in Europe, the old criticisms will still be used.. we failed to fire any punches against La Rochelle and Leinster which goes to show there is still work to do but both those sides are packed full of elite players so it's not the fairest comparison to expect Bristol to compete with them. I feel Bristol are on the way up though and the best is yet to come. Tom Jordan next year is going to be obscene.


Test rugby is obviously a different beast and does Borthwick have enough time with the players to develop the level of skill the Bears plays have? Even if he wanted to? We should definitely be able to see some progress, Scotland have certainly managed it. England aren't going to start throwing the ball around like that but England's attack looks prehistoric by comparison, I hope they take some inspiration from the clarity and freedom of expression shown by the Bears (and Scotland - who keep beating us, by the way!). Bristol have the best attack in the premiership, it'd be mad for England to ignore it because it doesn't fit with the Borthwick and Wigglesworth idea of how test rugby should be played. You gotta use what is available to you. Sadly I think England will try reluctantly to incorporate some of these ideas and end up even more confused and lacking identity than ever. At the moment England have two teams, they have 14 players and Marcus Smith. Marcus sticks out as a sore thumb in a team coached to play in a manner ideologically opposed to the way he plays rugby, does the Bears factor confuse matters further? I just have no confidence in Borthers and Wiggles.


Crazy to see the Prem with more ball in play than SR!

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JW 4 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

In another recent article I tried to argue for a few key concept changes for EPCR which I think could light the game up in the North.


First, I can't remember who pointed out the obvious elephant in the room (a SA'n poster?), it's a terrible time to play rugby in the NH, and especially your pinnacle tournament. It's been terrible watching with seemingly all the games I wanted to watch being in the dark, hardly able to see what was going on. The Aviva was the only stadium I saw that had lights that could handle the miserable rain. If the global appeal is there, they could do a lot better having day games.


They other primary idea I thuoght would benefit EPCR most, was more content. The Prem could do with it and the Top14 could do with something more important than their own league, so they aren't under so much pressure to sell games. The quality over quantity approach.


Trim it down to two 16 team EPCR competitions, and introduce a third for playing amongst the T2 sides, or the bottom clubs in each league should simply be working on being better during the EPCR.


Champions Cup is made up of league best 15 teams, + 1, the Challenge Cup winner. Without a reason not to, I'd distribute it evenly based on each leauge, dividing into thirds and rounded up, 6 URC 5 Top14 4 English. Each winner (all four) is #1 rank and I'd have a seeding round or two for the other 12 to determine their own brackets for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. I'd then hold a 6 game pool, home and away, with consecutive of each for those games that involve SA'n teams. Preferrably I'd have a regional thing were all SA'n teams were in the same pool but that's a bit complex for this simple idea.


That pool round further finalises the seeding for knockout round of 16. So #1 pool has essentially duked it out for finals seeding already (better venue planning), and to see who they go up against 16, 15,etc etc. Actually I think I might prefer a single pool round for seeding, and introduce the home and away for Ro16, quarters, and semis (stuffs up venue hire). General idea to produce the most competitive matches possible until the random knockout phase, and fix the random lottery of which two teams get ranked higher after pool play, and also keep the system identical for the Challenge Cup so everthing is succinct. Top T2 side promoted from last year to make 16 in Challenge Cup

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JW 10 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I had a look at the wiki article again, it's all terribly old data (not that I'd see reason for much change in the case of SA).

Number Of Clubs:

1526

Registered+Unregistered Players:

651146

Number of Referees:

3460

Pre-teen Male Players:

320842

Pre-teen Female Player:

4522

Teen Male Player:

199213

Teen Female Player:

4906

Senior Male Player:

113174

Senior Female Player:

8489

Total Male Player:

633229

Total Female Player:

17917


So looking for something new as were more concerned with adults specifically, so I had a look at their EOY Financial Review.

The total number of clubs remains consistent, with a marginal increase of 1% from 1,161 to 1,167. 8.1.

A comparative analysis of verified data for 2022 and 2023 highlights a marginal decline of 1% in the number of female players, declining from 6,801 to 6,723. Additionally, the total number of players demonstrates an 8% decrease, dropping from 96,172 to 88,828.

So 80k+ adult males (down from 113k), but I'm not really sure when youth are involved with SAn clubs, or if that data is for some reason not being referenced/included. 300k male students however (200k in old wiki data).


https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2020/07/28/212ed9cf-cd61-4fa3-b9d4-9f0d5fb61116/P56-57-Participation-Map_v3.pdf has France at 250k registered but https://presse-europe1-fr.translate.goog/exclu-europe-1-le-top-10-des-sports-les-plus-pratiques-en-france-en-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp has them back up at 300k registered.


The French number likely Students + Club, but everyone collects data different I reckon. In that WR pdf for instance a lot of the major nations have a heavily registered setup, were as a nation like England can penetrate into a lot more schools to run camps and include them in the reach of rugby. For instance the SARU release says only 29% of schools are reached by proper rugby programs, where as the 2million English number would be through a much much higer penetration I'd imagine. Which is thanks to schools having the ability to involve themselves in programs more than anything.


In any case, I don't think you need to be concerned with the numbers, whether they are 300 or 88k, there is obviously a big enough following for their pro scenes already to have enough quality players for a 10/12 team competition. They appear ibgger than France but I don't really by the lower English numbers going around.

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