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'It's going to be brutal at times': The chastening 2009 tour lesson that influenced Lions selection of Jonny Hill

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It was a surprise when the name of Jonny Hill was read out by Lions chairman Justin Leonard at Thursday’s 2021 squad announcement. The soon-to-be 27-year-old is a Test level rookie, a nine-cap second row who only made his international debut for England last October.

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All the chat about the Lions for months on end had been about how Alun Wyn Jones, Maro Itoje and James Ryan were the locks who would blaze the trail and be right in the thick of it when Warren Gatland’s team goes toe-to-toe with the Springboks in July. 

However, too many people read the room wrong. Whereas Welsh veteran Jones will travel as skipper following a stellar Guinness Six Nations, the form of the other two alleged second row squad shoo-ins wasn’t where it needed to be. 

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Itoje had sufficient credit in the bank to ensure selection but Ryan didn’t and he paid a heavy price when the 37-strong squad was unveiled. Gatland included a half-dozen second rows other than the much touted Ryan, a contingent where a number of them can capably play at blindside as well.  

Rather than Ryan, Tadhg Beirne and Iain Henderson were the Irishman to make the cut, while there was also allowance made for Courtney Lawes to make it back in time from his England injury. It was the Hill selection that piqued most engine room interest, though, and Gatland used a query about why the Exeter player was chosen to reopen a wound that has festered since the Lions last toured South Africa in 2009 and lost the Test series 2-1.     

“He is a young player we think can keep improving and put the other second rows under pressure,” said Gatland about the bruising physicality Hill goes about his business with. “He is a big man and what pleased me was you wouldn’t have thought he had a brilliant Six Nations but he has gone back to Exeter and played some really good rugby. 

“I thought Exeter and in particular him against Bristol was outstanding. We have had a look at that. If you look at our second rows we have tried to get a balance between matching what South Africa bring to that department and we have got to have the ability to bring that physicality. 

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“It’s something we learned in 2009 that not having played the South Africans in the lead-up games – and it is going to happen on this tour as well with the Test players – we went in thinking we were in better shape than we were. All of a sudden you come up against the Test players and what surprised us was we weren’t prepared for the physicality or picked a side that didn’t quite interpret that. 

“South Africa have gone back to their DNA. Looking at them in the (2019) World Cup and looking at the documentary they made, it shows you what their mentality is and it’s about being physical and winning that physical battle. So we want to play some good rugby but at times we are going to have to roll our sleeves up, get in the trenches and battle it out with them because it is going to be tough and it is going to be brutal at times.”

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JPM 26 minutes ago
Forget Ireland, the All Blacks face the real alpha of Europe next

Unfortunately you don't know anything about French rugby, coaches and players but still making a lot of assumptions and judgements to push your prefabricated and simplistic point of view that Dupont is manipulating everything and is a bad guy. I am not a NZ rugby specialist and wouldn't dare make such theories about what is going on within the ABs team. Therefore my advice to you is to do like Dupont and stay humble when you don't know all the background of the issues !!!


Firstly if you knew a bit of Galthié, he is not the type of coach who is going to ask advice to his players and even his captain about team selection. He is as stubborn as you...


Second Ramos has played a lot of times as 10 with Toulouse and therefore Dupont (in particular when Ntamack is injured and unfortunately it has often happened recently and for long periods). He even played 10 during the last 3 games of the 2024 6N and this was far better performance than the first two games with Jalibert as 10.


Thirdly Jalibert lacked of respect to a La Rochelle player so your theory is once again out.


Fourth as I explained to you Galthié went for a 6-2 bench and Jalibert can only play 10 which doesn't fit that plan. Furthermore as 15 Buros is better under high balls than Ramos and everybody is prepared for a tactical kicking game.


So you can blame Galthié for a lot of things (as you clearly enjoy doing at the end of your post and you should be very happy as an AB fan) but certainly not Dupont. Sorry once more for your conspiracy theory.


And don't worry about potential disharmony in the French team; they are excellent mates around their captain. Jalibert is well known in the French rugby circles to have not a strong character (and we saw that in the WC quarter finals as he is very nervous in any decisive international game unlike Ntamack and Ramos as for his late penalty kick vs England this year).


In conclusion enjoy the game tmrw night. It is good that the ABs are very upset; we should watch a great game of rugby. I hope for running rugby and not too much kicking. With 5 key players injured on our side (Ntamack, Baille, Atonio, Cros and Penaud) and 2 on your side I and various French fans see you as favourites. I obviously hope for another result.


If you are interested you can read a good article in the Guardian on the subject of France-NZ games.

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KB 28 minutes ago
The 'one difference' between Boks and the back-to-back All Blacks

Consistency hasnt been there they have many great players SA were also not unbeaten in the 2023 WC - NZ were in 2015 WC McCaw and Carter Nonu and Smith - SA did not have those Marque players in those postions in 2019 or 2023 - I wouldnt rank them ahead of the 20I5 ABs - They clocked up 60 points against France in the QF - Furthermore I do not believe for one moment SA won 2023 fairly no way - they were so favoured it became obvious that behind the scenes SA the nation bought the title - Their last 3 matches were won by a solitary point there were many contentious decisions that went their way that it became obvious it wasnt coincidence - Sport has been hijacked by a satanic cult just as is Politics

Some players coaches officials and sponsors are involved - they know who they are - its called Freemasonry - any sport that allows betting is corrupt - its not all about money either for these parasites its also about control - Lots of American NFL players have spoken openly about games being scripted - Football is also rigged Referees have been caught on film showing freemason hand signs - The 95 RWC final ranks as the highest and most obvious attempt at cheating There was no way SA were going to allow NZ to gate crash Nelson Mandelas reunification party - NZ were so good they had to posion almost the entire team to get a 3 point win - a Hollywood Movie ( theres your Red Flag ) was made about SAs triumph called Invictus


William Henley wrote a poem called Invictus


It starts


Out of the night that covers me BLACK ( All Blacks ) as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever GODS maybe for my unconquerable Soul ...( Olan says INVICTUS is an evil Malevolent entity who corrupted the Titans ... this is Mandelas double meaning speech ( hes a fraud ) - of thanks for helping overcome SA's adversary NZ - There is only ONE true God Yahuah - Only a false god would be complicit in Cheating Corruption and Harming others to win a RWC for a sick and sinful Nation ) the poem ends with


I am the CAPTAIN of my soul


SA will forever bear the stain of guilt and disgrace over their involvement in poisoning the ABs a day before the 95 RWC Final

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CO 1 hour ago
Forget Ireland, the All Blacks face the real alpha of Europe next

I cannot believe that you don't think the French rugby team coach and captain are not discussing putting Jalibert on the bench in favour of Duponts club teammate that doesn't even play at 10.


This is a terrible, massive insult to a 10 and I'm sure Dupont would also be very enraged if benched for a player that doesn't even play halfback.


A good captain would've insisted to the coach that it was an idea of madness and either select Jalibert or replace him with another 10 if you want him to be reserve.


Jalibert may not be the world's finest tacklers but that's often not a tens main strength that the loose forwards and second five cover. An intercept pass is never great but they happen.


When any player is playing for his club then it's club first, respect doesn't need to be shown to opposition players simply because they're internationals.


Who exactly are you claiming Jalibert hasn't respected? If it's Toulouse international players then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this bench demotion out.


The outcome of selecting Jalibert to the bench and he then throwing his croissants out the window of the team bus immediately prior to playing the Allblacks is a disaster that will be team disharmony as any team mates of Jalibert are in a state of anger and revolt so a performance that will be sub optimal against a team that is thirsting for revenge against France.


I don't know about you but the Allblacks are very upset they've lost twice in a row to France and want to put out a statement performance so this preparation by Galthie of creating havoc looks to me like a coach that is clueless.

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