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'It's not a case of that': Irish review wounding Cokanasiga loss

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Declan Kidney hasn’t ruled out the possibility of Phil Cokanasiga rejoining London Irish sometime in the future after it was confirmed on Thursday that the 20-year-old had signed for Leicester Tigers for next season. The director of rugby had regularly spoken throughout the 2021/22 campaign about how the Exiles were becoming a place where young players didn’t have to leave in order to gain Test level selection with England.

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Academy graduates exiting London Irish to become England internationals at rivals Gallagher Premiership clubs had been the established trend before Kidney was installed as the boss in March 2018. The likes of Anthony Watson, Jonathan Joseph and Joe Cokanasiga were among the list of youngsters who had quit Irish as they felt their representative level ambitions would be best served elsewhere. 

That pattern appeared to have ended with the England squad selection this past year of the likes of Ollie Hassell-Collins, Chunya Munga, Tom Pearson and some others by Eddie Jones, who last week visited the London Irish training ground to run the rule over a contingent of prospects that now includes the viral star, Henry Arundell following his recent attention-grabbing try-scoring.   

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However, Phil Cokanasiga, the younger brother of Joe who switched to Bath to realise his England Test team ambitions, dented this progress being made by Irish when he was unveiled as a new Leicester Tigers signing for the 2022/23 season after making 17 appearances and scoring six tries over the course of the last three seasons where he also played a part in winning the Six Nations Grand Slam with the England U20s last summer.      

“London Irish was my first professional club and it will always hold a place close to my heart,” said Cokanasiga in his brief leaving statement, but Kidney hasn’t ruled out the possibility of the youngster coming back to them at some future point. “You are going to win some and lose some,” he told RugbyPass about the battle to keep all of his squad’s youngsters happy and believing that they can make it with England via London Irish rather than elsewhere.

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Sometimes players can get frustrated if they are not getting enough time but Phil knew he had a pathway here with us and he will have his own reasons for that [joining Leicester], but it is not like he is running away from the club. You always know a player’s reaction as well then too when they are leaving, you know if they want to go because they really want to go. It’s not a case of that. We wish Phil well for the future and who knows about him coming back here in years to come.” 

It was a May 2018 thrashing at The Rec when it hit Kidney square in the face about the calibre of talent that London Irish had developed for the benefit of other clubs. With their Premiership relegation already confirmed, the Exiles were thumped 63-19 at Bath, the club that had hoovered up the likes of Watson and numerous other Irish-nurtured stars. They vowed there and then to put a stop to the brain drain.

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There had been a complete drain leading into it when we started off over four years ago, we were wondering what was going on,” continued Kidney about the situation that had contributed to London Irish twice suffering relegation to the second tier in three seasons. “We went down and played Bath and Jonathan Joseph, Joe Cokanasiga was being talked a lot in terms of joining there too, Anthony Watson – you are just thinking that if London Irish over the years had managed to hang onto its younger players where would we sit now?

“Part of the yo-yo effect was why were players here and why did they leave? Part of the reason we identified was they needed players to look up to and so we had to bring in some senior players to it and even though some mightn’t have played as much as they wanted to, the effects of Sean O’Brien on the other members of the pack, it will be over the coming years that you will see that. 

“In the back, you can see the effect that Waisake (Naholo) had on the likes of Ollie Hassell-Collins and these guys coming through so the legacy that you leave behind you as a senior player is also very impressive. They have done that and they [the youngsrers] now know more of what is expected of them. 

“We have had a few fellas called into England camp over the last 18 months so it has shown that they don’t have to leave London Irish to get called into English camp, so we believe that with what we are developing within can be strong going forward in the future. 

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“When you started off four years ago you didn’t want to be talking about three and five and seven-year plans. You’d bore the pants off the fellas who were there but we are four years into it, our squad is becoming younger naturally but being younger is only one part of it, you have to be skilful and competitive and see then can you close the deal on something. That is what we are about.”

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AllyOz 18 hours ago
Does the next Wallabies coach have to be an Australian?

I will preface this comment by saying that I hope Joe Schmidt continues for as long as he can as I think he has done a tremendous job to date. He has, in some ways, made the job a little harder for himself by initially relying on domestic based players and never really going over the top with OS based players even when he relaxed his policy a little more. I really enjoy how the team are playing at the moment.


I think Les Kiss, because (1) he has a bit more international experience, (2) has previously coached with Schmidt and in the same setup as Schmidt, might provide the smoothest transition, though I am not sure that this necessarily needs to be the case.


I would say one thing though about OS versus local coaches. I have a preference for local coaches but not for the reason that people might suppose (certainly not for the reason OJohn will have opined - I haven't read all the way down but I think I can guess it).


Australia has produced coaches of international standing who have won World Cups and major trophies. Bob Dwyer, Rod Macqueen, Alan Jones, Michael Cheika and Eddie Jones. I would add John Connolly - though he never got the international success he was highly successful with Queensland against quality NZ opposition and I think you could argue, never really got the run at international level that others did (OJohn might agree with that bit). Some of those are controversial but they all achieved high level results. You can add to that a number of assistants who worked OS at a high level.


But what the lack of a clear Australian coach suggests to me is that we are no longer producing coaches of international quality through our systems. We have had some overseas based coaches in our system like Thorn and Wessels and Cron (though I would suggest Thorn was a unique case who played for Australia in one code and NZ in the other and saw himself as a both a NZer and a Queenslander having arrived here at around age 12). Cron was developed in the Australian system anyway, so I don't have a problem with where he was born.


But my point is that we used to have systems in Australia that produced world class coaches. The systems developed by Dick Marks, which adopted and adapted some of the best coaching training approaches at the time from around the world (Wales particularly) but focussed on training Australian coaches with the best available methods, in my mind (as someone who grew up and began coaching late in that era) was a key part of what produced the highly skilled players that we produced at the time and also that produced those world class coaches. I think it was slipping already by the time I did my Level II certificate in 2002 and I think Eddie Jones influence and the priorities of the executive, particularly John O'Neill, might have been the beginning of the end. But if we have good coaching development programmes at school and junior level that will feed through to representative level then we will have


I think this is the missing ingredient that both ourselves and, ironically, Wales (who gave us the bones of our coaching system that became world leading), is a poor coaching development system. Fix that and you start getting players developing basic skills better and earlier in their careers and this feeds through all the way through the system and it also means that, when coaching positions at all levels come up, there are people of quality to fill them, who feed through the system all the way to the top. We could be exporting more coaches to Japan and England and France and the UK and the USA, as we have done a bit in the past.


A lack of a third tier between SR and Club rugby might block this a little - but I am not sure that this alone is the reason - it does give people some opportunity though to be noticed and play a key role in developing that next generation of players coming through. And we have never been able to make the cost sustainable.


I don't think it matters that we have an OS coach as our head coach at the moment but I think it does tell us something about overall rugby ecosystem that, when a coaching appointment comes up, we don't have 3 or 4 high quality options ready to take over. The failure of our coaching development pathway is a key missing ingredient for me and one of the reasons our systems are failing.

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