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Jake White: Are modern rugby players actually better?

Faf de Klerk of South Africa looks on as they line up in the tunnel prior to kick-off ahead of the Rugby World Cup Final match between New Zealand and South Africa at Stade de France on October 28, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by Julian Finney - World Rugby/World Rugby via Getty Images)

The Six Nations has given me bit of head space to reflect about rugby and its direction of travel. It’s funny, I remember Frik du Preez, the great Springbok captain was once asked, ‘Would your team of the 1960s beat the current South Africa team? And he quipped, ‘Only by 20 points’. When they asked him why, he said, ‘Well, because we’re all in our Eighties’.

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Frik loves a laugh, but the question all sports fans would love to know the answer to is this; would the legends of yesteryear beat the modern players of today?

In the last year we’ve seen a thrilling World Cup in France, a high-quality Six Nations, and the debate has never been more relevant. Where is rugby today? Is it better off or worse? It’s a pertinent question because in the last few months, two icons of the game have been laid to rest: JPR Williams and Barry John.

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Nigel Owens about the state of South African refereeing

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Nigel Owens about the state of South African refereeing

Now I started coaching in 1982. I was a young Varsity scholar studying teaching. One of the things I had access to was VHS tapes of the greats. It gave me a body of work to study. You know, the triple Grand Slam-winning Welsh team of the Seventies, the glorious 1971 and 1974 British & Irish Lions tours and who could forget the iconic All Blacks teams that would travel to the British Isles and beat every home nation convincingly? Individually, we could regale at the Phil Bennett sidestep, the JPR Williams thunderbolt tackle. Sitting there, late into the night, watching this massive box of a TV, I could gain insight into the early years of marksmen like Grant Fox or once-in-a-generation athletes like Zinzan Brooke. It always seemed like there was a massive gap between these icons and the rest.

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Zinzan Brooke with the ball for the All Blacks. Credit: David Rogers/Allsport

So, I would like to ask myself and maybe the public; has rugby got better? Kids now are full-time. They have training apps, S&C coaches, they have access to YouTube to analyse other players – in fact they’ve never had so many learning tools. But look at the legends, those runners Gareth Edwards, JJ Williams and Andy Irvine, or bruisers Willie John McBride, Fergus Slattery and Fran Cotton. They were incredible players. Are those adamantine Lions as gifted as those we see today?

I understand cycles come and go. Take this Championship winning Ireland side. People are hyping them up, and mark my words, they are special, they play a great brand of rugby, but they haven’t won a World Cup. I’d even ask, would they have beaten an Ireland side comprising of Brian O’Driscoll, Keith Wood, Ronan O’Gara and Paul O’Connell? Now I don’t know the answer. My opinion doesn’t count. It is a question for rugby union fans. Look at some of the other celebrated sides. The double World Cup-winning Australian sides from the nineties with players like Matt Burke, George Gregan, Stephen Larkham, Joe Roff and Wendell Sailor. Then there’s Richie McCaw, Dan Carter, Jerome Kaino, Ma’a Nonu, Keven Mealamu. That 2015 All Blacks vintage was pretty extraordinary.

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At the 2023 World Cup, Fiji beat Australia, and went ever so close to beating Wales and England. Does that mean the Tier 1 nations have actually regressed or the emerging nations have moved forward? To be fair to Tier 2 nations, what they do is say, ‘judge us on the World Cups’ because they get access to plentiful support to face the world’s best players.

Why? Because World Rugby do pump a lot of money in, to the tune of tens of millions through the high-performance department. It’s all to level the playing field. They will coach and condition these less well-resourced players to compete. You don’t want only one or two sides being able to win a global competition. Look at football. The World Cup would be boring if Brazil or Germany won it every four years. In fact, eight teams have won it since 1930, compared to four nations in rugby since 1987.

Progress hasn’t been absolute. At old World Cups, you used to have Western Samoa skittling Wales at the World Cup, but Samoa has fallen away. Or look at Romania. They used to be a force but have withered. There are success stories since we went professional. Look at what Italy has achieved in the last few weeks with two professional teams, drawing with France who have 14 clubs, and then beating Scotland and Wales on consecutive weekends. What joy it brought to the faces of the Azzurri.

In September 1995, rugby went professional. That meant that players were tracked from an early age. They’d go to academies, get paid and the very best would go on to play professional rugby. If they were special, they’d represent their country. Professionalism didn’t benefit all. In Wales all their club teams got subsumed by the regional structure, Scotland’s clubs went the same way. In South Africa we went from 22 unions to 14 unions.

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Why do I mention this? Well, the irony is I’m not sure if we’ve improved more by having less players, more money and more time to hone skills. The bank clerks, doctors, farmers and lawyers of days gone by had more demands placed upon them. They would train early in the morning, or late into the night, just to fit in their day jobs and that takes real dedication, a passion for the sport and an unbelievably competitive nature. Then they would play on pitches that resembled bogs or dustbowls. Nowadays, the elite train on perfect pitches, with indoor facilities, artificial turf, and at traffic-friendly times. Has complacency crept in? You tell me.

One thing I think we can all agree is that players are fitter, bigger, faster and stronger than ever before, and the pitch dimensions haven’t changed. It’s a bit like in golf, players hit longer, have better equipment with graphite shafts, not wooden clubs and the golf course stays the same length. It’s the same in tennis, so coaches have to adapt.

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Nolann Le Garrec (right) – PA

If you look at individual moments, look at that magnificent Barbarians try from 1973. It would stand up today for its visceral thrill, derring-do and joyful abandon. Indeed, how would it compare to that wonderful French try at the weekend finished off by Nolann le Garrec. Talking of Les Bleus. Are you telling me Serge Blanco, Jean Pierre-Rives, Philippe Sella, Franck Mesnel wouldn’t thrive in today’s game. They were players from the Gods! Over the channel, you can’t forget the English side I was privileged to coach against. Tindall, Greenwood, Grewcock, Johnson, Dallaglio, Thompson, Wilkinson. How many of them would have made the side that faced France last weekend? They were playing at a rarefied level less than 10 years after professionalism of the game and hats off to them.

Right now, I can’t see any team that is as dominant as those great teams were in those days. At the 2023 World Cup, there was one point between France and South Africa. Three points between Ireland and New Zealand. No one side standing on the shoulders of giants.

Sports fans will always ask questions and compare generations. I was at a fundraiser recently, and all these little kids were asking me and some of the Bulls players the same questions. Who were the best players you played against? Who were the toughest players you faced? What’s the toughest stadium to win in? In other sports, you’d argue with your father over who is the better boxer, Muhammad Ali or Mike Tyson? Racing drivers, Ayrton Senna or Lewis Hamilton? Tennis player Bjorn Borg or Novak Djokovic? Footballer, Pele or Messi. American footballer, Joe Montana or Tom Brady. I watch all those sports and wonder if they’ve developed at a faster pace than rugby.

Debates are fun and can often improve the product which is why I love sport. I’d be interested to hear your thoughts.

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bob 233 days ago

What about changing the ball? To something heavier and more pointed that bounces unpredictably.
Not this almost round football used these days.

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Jon 233 days ago

This is the problem with conservative mindsets and phycology, and homogenous sports, everybody wants to be the same, use the i-win template.

Athlete wise everyone has to have muscles and work at the gym to make themselves more likely to hold on that one tackle. Do those players even wonder if they are now more likely to be tackled by that player as a result of there “work”?

Really though, too many questions, Jake. Is it better Jake? Yes, because you still have that rugby of ole that you talk about. Is it at the highest International level anymore? No, but you go to your club or checkout your representative side and still engage with that ‘beautiful game’. Could you also have a bit of that at the top if coaches encouraged there team to play and incentivized players like Damian McKenzie and Ange Capuozzo? Of course we could. Sadly Rugby doesn’t, or didn’t, really know what direction to go when professionalism came. Things like the state of northern pitches didn’t help.

Over the last two or three decades I feel like I’ve been fortunate to have all that Jake wants. There was International quality Super Rugby to adore, then the next level below I could watch club mates, pulling 9 to 5s, take on the countries best in representative rugby. Rugby played with flair and not too much riding on the consequences. It was beautiful. That largely still exists today, but with the world of rugby not quite getting things right, the picture is now being painted in NZ that that level of rugby is not required in the “pathway” to Super Rugby or All Black rugby. You might wonder if NZR is right and the pathway shouldn’t include the ‘amateur’, but let me tell you, even though the NPC might be made up of people still having to pull 9-5s, we know these people still have dreams to get out of that, and aren’t likely to give them. They will be lost.

That will put a real strain on the concept of whether “visceral thrill, derring-do and joyful abandon” type rugby will remain under the professional level here in NZ. I think at some point that can be eroded as well. If only wanting the best athlete’s at the top level wasn’t enough to lose that, shutting off the next group, or level, or rugby players from easy access to express and showcase themselves certainly will. That all comes back around to the same question of professionalism in rugby and whether it got things right, and rugby is better now. Maybe the answer is turning into a “no”?

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Bull Shark 233 days ago

Of the rugby I’ve born witness to in my lifetime - 1990 to date - I recognize great players throughout those years. But I have no doubt the game and the players are on average better today.

So I doubt going back further is going to prove me wrong. The technical components of the game, set pieces, scrums, kicks, kicks at goal. And in general tactics employed are far more efficient, accurate and polished. Professional athletes that have invested countless hours on being accurate.

There is one nation though that may be fairly competitive in any era - and that for me is the all blacks. And New Zealand players in general. NZ produces startling athletes who have fantastic ball skills. And then the odd phenomenon like Brooke. Lomu. Mcaw. Carter.

Better than comparing players and teams across eras - I’ve often had this thought - that it would be very interesting to have a version of the game that is closer to its original form.

What would the game look like today if the rules were rolled back. Not rules that promote safety obviously - but rules like:

  • a try being worth 1 point and conversion 2 points. Hence the term “try”. Earning a try at goals. Would we see more attacking play?
  • no lifting in the lineouts.
  • rucks and break down laws in general. They looked like wrestling matches in bygone eras.
I wonder what a game applying 1995 rules would look like with modern players. It may be a daft exercise, but it would make for an interesting spectacle celebrating “purer” forms of the game that roll back the rules dramatically by a few versions. Would we come to learn that some of the rules/combinations of the rules we see today have actually made the game less attractive?

I’d love to see an exhibition match like that.

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bob 239 days ago

Great story Jake.

I would reckon on average the player of today is fitter and bigger. I say average player not the odd brilliant player. There are certainly more players out there than in the old days.

It seems that defences have improved over the years.

I think what the modern game needs is a bigger field.
Say 10 yards longer and 5 wider.
Then the crossbar between the poles say 3 foot higher and the poles say 2 foot closer together.

Circuits for F1 cars have in most cases been widened, smoother surfaced etc to cope with increased speeds.

Championship golf courses lengthened to accommodate the far flying balls and easy to hit clubs.

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Kenward K. 240 days ago

Better? No. Different? Yes.

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Silk 240 days ago

The first test I watched was as young boy in 1970. All Blacks vs the Boks. So I have seen many many tests in my life.
The teams of the past would get desimated by the modern teams. Players are just too fast strong and powerful nowadays.
Having said that, there were geniuses playing in the teams of years back. I think if you you give Colin Meads, Theuns Stofberg, Willie John McBride, Lawrence Dalalio, Serge Blanco, David Campese, Danie Gerber, JPR Williams etc
the time, training, gym sessions, information and all the tools and priveleges that the modern players have, they would be absolutely devastating.
For a test I thought about this….
Take the 2023 Boks, AB’s, French, Irish players and plonk them back to 1960. How many of them would be truly great?
I can only think of 2. Dupont and PSTD.
Then take those legends from the 60’s 70’s etc and give them all the tools that the modern players have… how good will they be.
Unstoppable…
It’s a fun exercise and my theory is debatable.

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David 240 days ago

no they have diffreent skills and possibly fitter but not as tough on the rugby field and the older players would have seats with their names on them with red andyellow cards on them due to the laws

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Rugby 240 days ago

Nice read Jake. I did enjoy it.

But just simply incomparable. I just like living for it is what it is. Living for the now but reflecting and learning.

I guess at flank (blind) before breakfast FRIK could eat up Siya Kolisi, Schalk Burger, Juan Smith, Francois Louw, André Venter, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Rassie Erasmus, Ruben Kruger, Corné Krige, Willem Alberts, Francois Pienaar, Heinrich Brüssow, Marcell Coetzee,Rob Louw, Danie Rossouw, AJ Venter, Joe van Niekerk, Kwagga Smith, Franco Mostert, André Vos, and Wahl Bartmann.

Oh and he could play, both flanks, lock or no 8.
Lineout specialist, maul specialist
can and did drop goal (one from over halfway)
can and did place kick

what was that game for N Transvaal ?
where he scored a try, conversion, drop-goal and penalty?
It is on youtube. amazing. Currie Cup Final ?

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Ace 241 days ago

“Frik du Preez, the great Springbok captain“

Really Jake? In how many tests did Frik captain the Springboks? Which tests were they?

I await your response with bated breath.

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John 241 days ago

I think the argument should be about the entertainment value. Is rugby now more entertaining than the 60s and 70s? Doubt it. In soccer, Brazil in the 70s were far and away the great entertainers. Formula 1 was far more fun to watch in the 70s. Boxing with Ali, Frazier and Foreman was a lot more entertaining. The only one that is more entertaining is the NFL, with one handed catches being normal, trick plays, run-pass options and QBs who can throw 60 yards.

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