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Jake White: My warning to young Springboks who have tasted success

General Views during the Castle Lager Rugby Championship match between South Africa and Argentina at Mbombela Stadium on September 28, 2024 in Nelspruit, South Africa. (Photo by Dirk Kotze/Gallo Images)

Let me take you back to 2013 when I was coaching the Brumbies. We were always on the lookout for emerging talent and we’d had a tip-off about a young kid, who was playing for a club called Wests on the Sunshine Coast, and playing in a match against a local university team. If there were a few hundred people watching him, it would surprise me, but this shaggy-haired full-back had something, so we fast tracked him into the Brumbies set-up. Boy, he could move.

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If you haven’t guessed it yet, it was Jesse Mogg, and if you search YouTube, you’ll see burning defenders in front of 70,000 fans for the Wallabies against the British & Irish Lions only months later. It was a stratospheric rise.

After that whirlwind Series, I sat him down and said to him, ‘one of your biggest challenges now will be to go back to Wests again and play with that passion because it will naturally be a comedown’. You see, I had to get him to understand that Wests, the former club of Stephen Larkham, is where it all started. If he didn’t have the same dedication and desire to pull on their shirt, for the right reasons, it would seriously question whether he had the character traits to make it as a top-class player.

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I’ve been reminded of that conversation in recent days. It made me think about passion versus planning. I accept there’s a lot of effort that is going to go into planning the November tour in the short-term, and of course the quest for a third consecutive World Cup in 2027, however, I’m now on the other side of the fence as head coach of a domestic side. We have a group of players now coming back from winning a first Rugby Championship in 15 years. The players have compulsory leave, agreed with their players union. They naturally want to manage themselves, so they are always at their best at international level, and there is an expectation to deliver but it does is test the passion they have for playing their clubs.

I’ve never been confronted with this sort of problem before. I have players asking me for a week off and I say, ‘you’ve got to be kidding, you can’t have a week off.’ I don’t blame them at all. They are young boys and they’ve now tasted success – they are seen as rock stars but that will all end if they lose that passion. Having coached the national team and a provincial role, it’s not easy to navigate.

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There is huge adulation for these Springboks right now, but I can’t help but sound a note of caution borne from experience. I remember reading some comments about Canan Moodie, along the lines of, ‘in two years, he’s gone from me thinking he was going to be one of the best players in the world to an average player for his country’. They weren’t my words. I said to Canan, ‘this is the challenge you have, now you’re in the spotlight’, maintaining your standards. The very best do, and in this recent Rugby Championship we saw a few of them reach milestones. Agustin Creevy became the most capped Puma of all time, with fellow test centurion Julian Montoya not too far behind. In Australia, James Slipper won his 140th Test cap, overtaking the iconic George Gregan. Here in South Africa, Eben Etzebeth was lauded for surpassing Victor Matfield’s 127 cap mark.

To get to those giddy number of caps, it’s a fine balance between club and country. Do you lose the same intensity, preparation and desire for your club that you had before you became a Test player? It’s a question that will not go away any time soon. Indeed, several French club owners have questioned their Test legends and their attitude to their clubs. Eben had his detractors from his time in the South of France with Toulon and of course, Siya’s short-term stay in France was scrutinised in some quarters. Steven Kitshoff’s stay in Ulster will also not see him in the hall of fame in Belfast, either. This is nothing new. We’ve seen similar conversations about the likes of Johnny Sexton and Sam Warburton, who were chided for their limited game time with Leinster and Cardiff in the latter years to extend their Test careers. You’ll always get players who don’t seem to play much for their clubs, but they’ll be ready when the Six Nations, Rugby Championship, World Cup or a Lions tour comes around. The common consensus domestically is that these superstars are paid a huge amount of money, so they need to be available to play, and visible assets to the club.

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That’s one of the things I learnt when in France. Post Test careers, a lot of Kiwis, Springboks and Wallabies go overseas, and they’ll often they use the club as a retirement package. They want to go to Paris or Barcelona sightseeing with the family. They’re not too upset about not getting selected and they start managing themselves, as they approach the end of their careers. However now, due to differing economic conditions, big stars are playing offshore and managing themselves entirely so they are ‘Test Match ready’. They’re happy to be rotated at club level and aren’t too shy about telling you when they can’t play. On the other hand, you do get players who will train and play come rain or shine. They are absolute warriors and I know which one I would want in my squad.

Now I’ve got that off my chest, let’s look ahead. I can see the next block of Tests could have huge implications for 2025 and beyond. So where are we? Firstly, the Boks. They are on a high and holders of everything. It’s remarkable this is the first time the Springboks have won the Rugby Championship in 15 years, especially with this special group of players Rassie has had for the past five or six years.

I read a wonderful article in RugbyPass, asking the key questions that needed answering. Can Bongi and Malcolm carry on forever? Is (Damien) De Allende not multi-faceted enough to play in Tony Brown’s philosophy? What happens at 9 when Faf’s body checks out? They are worthy of discussion. I’m not sure we need answers urgently but there’s no doubt they are the same questions levelled at the All Blacks, because they set the standards for so long.

In truth, the end-of-year tour the Springboks have lined up is easier than Australia or New Zealand. The Wallabies have a Grand Slam of home nations, and New Zealand don’t have Wales, they have France, so it’s a step up. There’s more wriggle room for South Africa to tweak or experiment and this is no disrespect to Scotland, England or Wales. We have been bested by all three over the years, with very strong teams we’ve flown over.

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As for the Kiwis, I hear the likes of Sir John Kirwan and Jeff Wilson talking on The Breakdown. They say, ‘let’s give Scott (Robertson) a chance, they have new coaches, a new captain and lots of change in the set-up.’ For me that’s a very different approach to the one historically adopted by the All Blacks, because ‘judge me on the World Cup’ has never been the mantra adopted by the New Zealand public. Saying that, I’d expect the All Blacks to improve after more time together and I expect the fans and NZRU board to be patient, but it isn’t infinite.

As for the Wallabies, replicating the 1984 Grand Slam is their Everest. They were the weakest team in the Rugby Championship and despite Joe Schmidt making positive noises, the British media will heavily scrutinise them because they will be facing the Lions next summer. All the home nations players will be desperate to show up well against the Wallabies for a place in Andy Farrell’s squad because the Lions is the pinnacle. I read the extracts from Johnny Sexton’s book, and how hurt he was to be left out of the 2021 squad. It haunts him and who can forget Brian O’Driscoll being dropped for the 2013 Lions tour? That was seismic. When you talk about passion, just think Lions. These callow Wallabies are walking into the cauldron and Joe has to guide them through it.

As for Argentina, they’ve had one of the best years they’ve ever had by beating New Zealand, Australia and South Africa in six weeks – that’s never been done before, so no one will relish facing them.

It promises to be a glorious month of rugby.

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by 79 days ago

Youth…fame…..money - a recipe for disaster.

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DV 80 days ago

Didn’t the Boks win in 2019 Jake ?

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DA 79 days ago

get a life prick

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SK 80 days ago

Seems like Jake white is nervous about his rising stars. Several players have been capped and are now regulars in the Boks. Nortje, Grobbelaar, Hendrick Wessels, Steenekamp, Louw, Le Roux, Moodie, Van Staden and Arendse were all heavily involved in the TRC. Arendse is now on his bike to Japan but the rest will return. I reckon Jake would like to use them ASAP and especially on tour which begins in a couple of weeks. Good Luck Jake, you wanted more Springboks, you did well to develop them but now you have to manage them. As the Sharks have found out the hard way, that is easier said than done

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OJohn 80 days ago

Jesse Mogg was one of the most talented players I have ever seen. He was as fast as Christian Cullen, had a pass on him as good as Quade Cooper's and a Roger Gould boot.

It was another tragedy of Australian rugby he wasn't developed better. An absolute freak talent.

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midnight mangler 80 days ago

Great article Jake.

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JD 80 days ago

Jake is spot on about player attitude, particularly with the South African malaise of becoming "windgat".

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SteveD 80 days ago

I'd also add 'coach attitude' which Rassie has in spades. His telling off of Sacha was very much the right thing but hopefully not too late. When I look at Goosen for example, he was overplayed badly back in his younger days and IMHO never really reached the heights he should have done.

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Tom 1 hour ago
What is the future of rugby in 2025?

Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol! Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol! Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol!


It's incredible to see the boys playing like this. Back to the form that saw them finish on top of the regular season and beat Toulon to win the challenge cup. Ibitoye and Ravouvou doing a cracking Piutau/Radradra impression.


It's abundantly clear that Borthwick and Wigglesworth need to transform the England attack and incorporate some of the Bears way. Unfortunately until the Bears are competing in Europe, the old criticisms will still be used.. we failed to fire any punches against La Rochelle and Leinster which goes to show there is still work to do but both those sides are packed full of elite players so it's not the fairest comparison to expect Bristol to compete with them. I feel Bristol are on the way up though and the best is yet to come. Tom Jordan next year is going to be obscene.


Test rugby is obviously a different beast and does Borthwick have enough time with the players to develop the level of skill the Bears plays have? Even if he wanted to? We should definitely be able to see some progress, Scotland have certainly managed it. England aren't going to start throwing the ball around like that but England's attack looks prehistoric by comparison, I hope they take some inspiration from the clarity and freedom of expression shown by the Bears (and Scotland - who keep beating us, by the way!). Bristol have the best attack in the premiership, it'd be mad for England to ignore it because it doesn't fit with the Borthwick and Wigglesworth idea of how test rugby should be played. You gotta use what is available to you. Sadly I think England will try reluctantly to incorporate some of these ideas and end up even more confused and lacking identity than ever. At the moment England have two teams, they have 14 players and Marcus Smith. Marcus sticks out as a sore thumb in a team coached to play in a manner ideologically opposed to the way he plays rugby, does the Bears factor confuse matters further? I just have no confidence in Borthers and Wiggles.


Crazy to see the Prem with more ball in play than SR!

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JW 5 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

In another recent article I tried to argue for a few key concept changes for EPCR which I think could light the game up in the North.


First, I can't remember who pointed out the obvious elephant in the room (a SA'n poster?), it's a terrible time to play rugby in the NH, and especially your pinnacle tournament. It's been terrible watching with seemingly all the games I wanted to watch being in the dark, hardly able to see what was going on. The Aviva was the only stadium I saw that had lights that could handle the miserable rain. If the global appeal is there, they could do a lot better having day games.


They other primary idea I thuoght would benefit EPCR most, was more content. The Prem could do with it and the Top14 could do with something more important than their own league, so they aren't under so much pressure to sell games. The quality over quantity approach.


Trim it down to two 16 team EPCR competitions, and introduce a third for playing amongst the T2 sides, or the bottom clubs in each league should simply be working on being better during the EPCR.


Champions Cup is made up of league best 15 teams, + 1, the Challenge Cup winner. Without a reason not to, I'd distribute it evenly based on each leauge, dividing into thirds and rounded up, 6 URC 5 Top14 4 English. Each winner (all four) is #1 rank and I'd have a seeding round or two for the other 12 to determine their own brackets for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. I'd then hold a 6 game pool, home and away, with consecutive of each for those games that involve SA'n teams. Preferrably I'd have a regional thing were all SA'n teams were in the same pool but that's a bit complex for this simple idea.


That pool round further finalises the seeding for knockout round of 16. So #1 pool has essentially duked it out for finals seeding already (better venue planning), and to see who they go up against 16, 15,etc etc. Actually I think I might prefer a single pool round for seeding, and introduce the home and away for Ro16, quarters, and semis (stuffs up venue hire). General idea to produce the most competitive matches possible until the random knockout phase, and fix the random lottery of which two teams get ranked higher after pool play, and also keep the system identical for the Challenge Cup so everthing is succinct. Top T2 side promoted from last year to make 16 in Challenge Cup

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JW 11 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I had a look at the wiki article again, it's all terribly old data (not that I'd see reason for much change in the case of SA).

Number Of Clubs:

1526

Registered+Unregistered Players:

651146

Number of Referees:

3460

Pre-teen Male Players:

320842

Pre-teen Female Player:

4522

Teen Male Player:

199213

Teen Female Player:

4906

Senior Male Player:

113174

Senior Female Player:

8489

Total Male Player:

633229

Total Female Player:

17917


So looking for something new as were more concerned with adults specifically, so I had a look at their EOY Financial Review.

The total number of clubs remains consistent, with a marginal increase of 1% from 1,161 to 1,167. 8.1.

A comparative analysis of verified data for 2022 and 2023 highlights a marginal decline of 1% in the number of female players, declining from 6,801 to 6,723. Additionally, the total number of players demonstrates an 8% decrease, dropping from 96,172 to 88,828.

So 80k+ adult males (down from 113k), but I'm not really sure when youth are involved with SAn clubs, or if that data is for some reason not being referenced/included. 300k male students however (200k in old wiki data).


https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2020/07/28/212ed9cf-cd61-4fa3-b9d4-9f0d5fb61116/P56-57-Participation-Map_v3.pdf has France at 250k registered but https://presse-europe1-fr.translate.goog/exclu-europe-1-le-top-10-des-sports-les-plus-pratiques-en-france-en-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp has them back up at 300k registered.


The French number likely Students + Club, but everyone collects data different I reckon. In that WR pdf for instance a lot of the major nations have a heavily registered setup, were as a nation like England can penetrate into a lot more schools to run camps and include them in the reach of rugby. For instance the SARU release says only 29% of schools are reached by proper rugby programs, where as the 2million English number would be through a much much higer penetration I'd imagine. Which is thanks to schools having the ability to involve themselves in programs more than anything.


In any case, I don't think you need to be concerned with the numbers, whether they are 300 or 88k, there is obviously a big enough following for their pro scenes already to have enough quality players for a 10/12 team competition. They appear ibgger than France but I don't really by the lower English numbers going around.

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