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Could James Haskell's banter derail the Lions?

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In the run up to the 2003 Rugby World England head coach Sir Clive Woodward emphasized the importance of detail, and took addressing the minutiae of the England’s game to the next level.

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To paraphrase the philosophy – ‘If we do 100 things one per cent better’ we will be victorious. Indeed Woodward cited the importance of ‘critical non – essentials’ (CNEs), believing them to be key to England’s World Cup success in 2003.

Yet what about negative one percenters? The tiny things – that individually seem negligible – but that collectively can lead to the downfall of a team.

The enormous touring party, the individual hotel rooms for players and the presence of former Labour spin doctor Alastair Campbell were all widely considered detrimental in Woodward’s failed 2005 Lions tour.

Fast forward to the present day.

Enter James Haskell and the British and Irish Lions.

Haskell has been touted as that oldest of rugby clichés – the “good tourist” – he may not be pushing for a test place but he’s a good guy to have around camp.

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Indeed many fans – this one included – are looking forward to the prospect of Haskell’s videos surfacing on social media over the course Lions tour, not least how his relationship with reluctant ‘best mate’ Owen Farrell develops.

Yet is there a negative side effect to having Haskell – and more specifically Haskell’s overwhelming level of banter – in the squad?

Haskell is the type of character that the game of Rugby Union needs. Colourful, brash and with a quick turn of phrase, the self proclaimed ‘Bishop of Banterbury’ prides himself on mixing it with the best chatters in the business.

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But what people don’t like to talk about is the unspoken tyranny of banter. For banter bullies, if you possess ‘s*** banter’, then it’s a massive slight on your personality.

Haskell himself has frequently alluded to his own lack of tolerance for people who don’t have ‘good banter’. In a video addressed to his fans in March he unashamedly spoke of blocking anyone with ‘s*** comments, s*** banter, terrible chat’.

It would seem if the Bantersaurus Rex deems your banter unworthy, you don’t get a seat at the ‘banter table’.

Such are the whims of a banter tyrant.

And what of his British and Irish Lions teammates? It’s not impossible to imagine quieter players being intimidated by a perceived need to give and take banter.

It may come as a shock to some, but not everyone is good at banter, and not everyone likes it to start with.

Let’s hope for the sake of a competitive series that banter doesn’t become an overarching distraction in one of the most grueling Lions tours ever conceived.

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JW 15 hours ago
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I can guarantee that none of the three would have got a chance with Ireland in the state they arrived from NZ.

Why would you think they would?

Two of them were at Leinster and were bench-warmers when they arrived

Sometimes you can be beyond stupid JW.

Haha look who's talking! Hello? Can you just read what you wrote about Leinster to yourself again please lol

It took prob four seasons to get James Lowe's defence up to the required standard to play international footy. If Jacob Stockdale had not experienced a big slump in form he might not have gotten the chance at all.

I'm really not sure why you're making this point. Do you think Ireland are a better team than the All Blacks, where those players would have been straight in? This is like ground hog day the movie with you. Can you not remember much of the discussions, having so many readers/commentors? Yup, 26/7/8 would have been the perfect age for them to have been capped by NZ as well.


Actually, they would obviously have been capped given an opportunity earlier (where they were ineligible to for Ireland).


TTT, who was behind JGP at the Hurricanes, got three AB caps after a couple of further seasons acting as a backup SR player, once JGP left of course. In case you didn't see yourself contradicting your own comments above, JGP was just another player who became first choice for Ireland while 2nd (or even 3rd/outside the 23 in recent cases) for Leinster. And fair enough, no one is suggesting JGP would have surpassed TJP in three or four years either. He would have been an All Black though, and unlike in your Leinster example, similar performances from him would have seen TJP move on earlier to make way for him. Not limited him like he was in Ireland. That's just the advantage of the way they can only afford so many. Hell, one hit wonders like Seta Tamanivalu and Malakai Fekitoa got rocketed into the jersey at the time.


So not just him. Aki and Lowe both would have had opportunities, as you must know has been pointed out by now. It's true that the adversity of having to move to Ireland added a nice bit of mongrel to their game though, along with their typical development.


Aki looked comfortable as the main 12 in his first two seasons, he was fortunate SBW went back to league for a season you could say, but as a similar specialist he ultimate had to give the spot back again on his return. There's certainly no doubt he would have returned and flourished with coachs like Rennie, Wayne Smith, and Andrew Strawbridge, even Tom Coventry. All fair for him to take up an immediate contract instead of wait a year of course though.


It's just whatever the point of your comments are meant to make, your idea that these players wouldn't have achieved high honors in NZ is simply very shortsighted and simplistic. I can only think you are making incorrect conclusions about this topic because of this mistake. As a fan, Aki was looking to be the Nonu replacement for me, but instead the country had the likes of Laumape trying to fill those boots with him available. Ditto with Lowe once Rieko moved to center.

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