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Joe Schmidt reveals the blueprint to Ireland's success over the All Blacks

Ireland coach Joe Schmidt chats with and All Black coach Steve Hansen in Dublin in 2016. (Photo by Phil Walter/Getty Images)

Former Ireland head coach Joe Schmidt has detailed how he planned the country’s first-ever wins over the All Blacks.

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After 111 years of failing to register a victory over New Zealand, Ireland broke their long-standing duck in 2016 when they shocked the world to beat the Kiwis 40-29 at Soldier Field in Chicago.

The Irish replicated that feat two years later when they beat the All Blacks on home soil for the first time in their history, clinching a 16-9 win at Aviva Stadium in Dublin.

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Schmidt was at the helm of Ireland during both wins over his homeland, which he has returned to this year after having left his post as Ireland boss following their World Cup quarter-final exit at the hands of the All Blacks in 2019.

Now involved with the Blues as a support coach, and set to join the All Blacks as a selector after their three-test series against Ireland in July, Schmidt has revealed how he prepared the Irish for two of their most famous rugby victories.

Speaking on The Breakdown, Schmidt said he regarded the All Blacks as the world’s best transition team when he first joined the Ireland set-up as Declan Kidney’s successor ahead of the 2013 November test window.

During that window, Schmidt’s first assignments as Ireland boss were tests against Samoa, Australia and New Zealand.

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Ireland only enjoyed success against Samoa as they fell to a heavy defeat against the Wallabies before coming up agonisingly short against the All Blacks in a test they lost after Aaron Cruden converted an injury time try scored by Ryan Crotty.

Schmidt pinpointed those defeats to Ireland’s looseness with the ball, which he told The Breakdown was detrimental against an All Blacks team that he described as a ruthless attacking outfit.

“The very first time we played them in 2013, I’d had the team for two weeks and we’d played Samoa and then got thumped a bit by Australia, and we were loose with the ball,” Schmidt said.

“I’ve always felt that New Zealand were the best transition team in the world. If you kicked loosely to them or you’re loose with the ball, they will really go after you.

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“We decided we’d just try to make sure that New Zealand were forced to make every tackle, that we weren’t going to give them anything that was loose and that they couldn’t get any real counter-attack against us.”

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The lessons Ireland learned from that missed opportunity to score an historic win over the All Blacks were implemented when the two teams next squared off in the United States three years later, and in Dublin two years after that.

Even in the wake of Schmidt’s departure from Ireland, the Andy Farrell-coached side has gone on to pick up a third win over the All Blacks, beating Ian Foster’s men 29-20 in Dublin last year.

The defeat was one of three New Zealand suffered last year, resulting in fierce criticism of Foster and the national team as a whole, and the subsequent recruitment of Schmidt as a selector.

However, Schmidt told The Breakdown that he would still be concerned about coming up against the current All Blacks side if he was still the head coach of an opposition team.

“You look at who was available for the All Blacks, they still think they’re a really dangerous transition team if they get loose ball or loose opportunity. That would worry me if I was coaching against them,” he said.

Schmidt also shed some light into how he managed to achieve success against the Wallabies and Springboks during his reign as Ireland head coach.

He noted the importance of shutting down former Wallabies fullback Israel Folau and returning veteran Kurtley Beale as key factors in their dominance over Australia during his time in charge of Ireland.

“We had really good success against South Africa during the time that I was with Ireland, and the Wallabies. I think we probably won five out of seven against the Wallabies,” Schmidt told The Breakdown.

“They were a team where you could suffocate them a little bit, and as long as you could win the battle in the air against Israel Folau and try to contain the likes of Kurtley Beale, then you could get your own game going.

“We had a fantastic series there and some great games in Dublin. It was really looking with a really broad lens around the world at who you’re playing, and it was really exciting.”

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Francisco 951 days ago

Certainly the All Blacks' unstructured play is a major source of territorial gain and point generation. It is part of the DNA of the Kiwi teams and any team that faces them must take extreme precautions not to offer that advantage.

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Shane 952 days ago

Joe you should be our head coach,and im sure lot of us fans would love for you to take the top job as head coach,look at the influence he has in the blues team too,fingers crossed he gets it after foster,being our selector is a top role itself too but we really need him as head coach

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Jmann 952 days ago

lol - he also benefited in Chicago with an ABs team that was 'experimental' at best

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Tom 5 hours ago
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It's incredible to see the boys playing like this. Back to the form that saw them finish on top of the regular season and beat Toulon to win the challenge cup. Ibitoye and Ravouvou doing a cracking Piutau/Radradra impression.


It's abundantly clear that Borthwick and Wigglesworth need to transform the England attack and incorporate some of the Bears way. Unfortunately until the Bears are competing in Europe, the old criticisms will still be used.. we failed to fire any punches against La Rochelle and Leinster which goes to show there is still work to do but both those sides are packed full of elite players so it's not the fairest comparison to expect Bristol to compete with them. I feel Bristol are on the way up though and the best is yet to come. Tom Jordan next year is going to be obscene.


Test rugby is obviously a different beast and does Borthwick have enough time with the players to develop the level of skill the Bears plays have? Even if he wanted to? We should definitely be able to see some progress, Scotland have certainly managed it. England aren't going to start throwing the ball around like that but England's attack looks prehistoric by comparison, I hope they take some inspiration from the clarity and freedom of expression shown by the Bears (and Scotland - who keep beating us, by the way!). Bristol have the best attack in the premiership, it'd be mad for England to ignore it because it doesn't fit with the Borthwick and Wigglesworth idea of how test rugby should be played. You gotta use what is available to you. Sadly I think England will try reluctantly to incorporate some of these ideas and end up even more confused and lacking identity than ever. At the moment England have two teams, they have 14 players and Marcus Smith. Marcus sticks out as a sore thumb in a team coached to play in a manner ideologically opposed to the way he plays rugby, does the Bears factor confuse matters further? I just have no confidence in Borthers and Wiggles.


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JW 9 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

In another recent article I tried to argue for a few key concept changes for EPCR which I think could light the game up in the North.


First, I can't remember who pointed out the obvious elephant in the room (a SA'n poster?), it's a terrible time to play rugby in the NH, and especially your pinnacle tournament. It's been terrible watching with seemingly all the games I wanted to watch being in the dark, hardly able to see what was going on. The Aviva was the only stadium I saw that had lights that could handle the miserable rain. If the global appeal is there, they could do a lot better having day games.


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Trim it down to two 16 team EPCR competitions, and introduce a third for playing amongst the T2 sides, or the bottom clubs in each league should simply be working on being better during the EPCR.


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