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Joe Worsley: 'I know that we beat them, but Italy are a much better team'

Then Bordeaux-Begles' English coach Joe Worsley (2ndR) looks on prior to the French Top 14 rugby union match between Montpellier and Bordeaux at the GGL stadium in Montpellier, southern France on March 2, 2019. (Photo by Pascal GUYOT / AFP) (Photo credit should read PASCAL GUYOT/AFP via Getty Images)

Joe Worsley, the England World Cup winner, is revelling in Georgia’s historic victory over Italy in Batumi, but the Lelos defence coach is acutely aware of the work that still needs to be done before they are included in the Six Nations Championship.

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The 28-19 win over Italy, the perennial Six Nations whipping boys who ended a 36-match losing run in the competition by beating Wales this year, has focussed attention on Georgia’s burning desire to be allowed to join Europe’s elite competition.

However, Worsley, who has spent the last decade coaching at Bordeaux and Castres, believes there are still crucial “stepping stones” for Georgia to negotiate before they are fully equipped to make the step up to the Six Nations, either through a suggested play off with the bottom team each season or as an extra country.

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In Worsley’s view, it is crucial to increase the number of Georgia matches against Tier One nations and to find a viable competition for a new provincial Georgian team (it could be the Currie Cup in South Africa) while helping the Black Lion professional club team move up the European ladder.

Worsley, a member of England’s 2003 World Cup winning squad, helped Georgia at the 2019 Cup in Japan and will have the same defence role at next year’s tournament in France where Georgia will play Australia, Fiji, Wales and the final qualifier in Pool C.

The 45-year-old former back-row forward told RugbyPass: “I cannot explain how massive a win it is and to beat a Tier One nation is enormous for a country with ambition like Georgia and it is a big stepping stone to where they want to get.

“It is too simplistic a view (immediately elevate Georgia to Six Nations membership) of a very complicated decision and Italy are probably a lot further down the line in dealing with professionalism and finding their own model. They have had a lot of issues due to either poor coaching or organisation of the club system and I know that we beat them, but Italy are a much better team now.

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“It was huge to have a team like Italy at home and you could feel the nerves because we had lost the week before to an Argentinian XV and I think a lot of the Georgian players were already thinking about the Italian game. It was a massive game with Italy and you could feel the tension around it and there is real joy at winning.

“One day there needs to be an ability to let a team like Georgia (into the Six Nations) in but there are steps before that needs to happen. More Tier 1 exposure is huge for Georgia and there is going to be one of those fixtures in November and then the European Nations competition they take part in followed by warm up games for the World Cup in France.

“Hopefully, there will be a provincial team that enters a competition like the Currie Cup in South Africa but the travelling for that seems mad. They need to find a viable solution that gives the players a constant exposure to a decent level of rugby. On top of that the international team needs as much exposure to Tier One matches as possible.

“The Georgia team is getting better all the time and the launch of the professional Black Lion team has been important but until they get into a full-time professional league that is going to be a tough one. There are a lot of factors including how the players are being trained and the domestic league is probably not competitive enough to prepare players for international rugby.”

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Worsley is taking a break from full-time coaching and despite interest from French clubs his rugby focus will be on his consultancy role with Georgia for at least the next 18 months.

So what is it about Georgian rugby that keeps him coming back? “I really love rugby people who are passionate about the game and being part of that environment with Georgia is something I really appreciate,” added Worsley who won 78 England caps. “It is that passion for rugby I love.

“I had a wonderful time at Castres (who lost the Top14 final to Montpellier) and also at Bordeaux over ten years in France and it is time for some personal development with a Masters degree course. Club rugby is amazing and I will miss the weekly ups and downs but it is only for a year and half and then I will back into it. There are various offers but I am not going to change my mind.

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“I am helping Georgia out on a short-term contract and I will do more nearer the World Cup in France. I have various commitments which means I won’t be with them leading into the Portugal game (next weekend).”

While Georgia are noted for the number of outstanding forwards they produce, Worsley has been impressed with the back line talent that has been emerging from their U20 team which recently hammered Scotland 55-17.

The win over of Italy last weekend saw two brilliant runs from full back Davit Niniashvili who plays his rugby at Lyon and Worsley is excited about his potential. “The guy has some talent at 19-years-old and the high catches for me – the way he spins around the air and places his foot is like a ballerina – are unbelievable.

“Having players in the Georgia backs who can bring that X-factor and break the line is massive and we still have a long way to go for the team before they can hope to regularly win games like the Italy one. All the ingredients are there and now it is about high quality games because there are more and more players coming through to the senior team and there are Georgian people putting in the money to make that happen.

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“It is a long term plan and it won’t happen overnight. There is the stereotype about Georgian teams but Italy were strong in the scrum and we have seen the improvement in the Fiji scrum. You really can’t rely on that old stereotype about Georgia forwards anymore. The Georgian U20s have had success and players will push through and it is a good sign.

“Having helped out in 2019 at the Rugby World Cup, I stayed in touch with Levan Maisashvili who is the head coach. He had that terrible experience with Covid.

“At the 2019 World Cup we had players at top teams in France but if you take Georgia rugby as a whole they probably have less experience than other nations and hence they will make some mistakes others don’t make. It is now about getting the experience of high quality games and get their skills on board more quickly.”

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JW 4 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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