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Jones blames public schools for building 'compliant' rugby players

England Head Coach Eddie Jones takes a junior training session during a England Training Session at King's House School Sports Ground on May 24, 2022 in Chiswick, England. (Photo by Alex Davidson - RFU/The RFU Collection via Getty Images)

England head coach Eddie Jones has implied English rugby’s reliance on private schools has led to a less resilient culture amongst the nation’s elite rugby players.

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In a wide-ranging interview with i News , Jones told Kevin Garside that he believes the public schools system builds ‘compliant’ rugby players that can’t respond to adversity on the field.

Jones is in the middle of transitioning England’s attacking shape ahead of the Rugby World Cup next year and despite coming off the back of a successful 2-1 win over the Wallabies in Australia, the 62-year-old made no bones about how where he sees flaws.

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“They are good, tough players. They work hard but they only know what they know. If you have only been in a system where you get to 15, you have a bit of rugby ability and then go to Harrow. Then for two years you do nothing but play rugby, everything’s done for you. That’s the reality.

“You have this closeted life. When things go to crap on the field who’s going to lead because these blokes have never had experience of it? I see that as a big thing. When we are on the front foot we are the best in the world. When we are not on the front foot our ability to find a way to win, our resolve, is not as it should be.

“There is this desire to be polite and so winning is seen as a bit uncouth. We have to play the game properly, old chap.”

Jones also suggested that England’s 2003 World Cup success, built off the back of the very same ‘public schools’ system, was a one-off that came despite the prevailing culture.

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“Yeah but that was just situational success wasn’t it? There has been nothing to follow that. I felt that culture was working against us when I arrived, 100 per cent.

“It’s never one thing, it’s the whole structure. Players are taught to be compliant. The best teams are run by the players and the coach facilitates that. That’s the key. Look at United. At some stage they had Scholes, Keane, Neville, all those guys. The players ran the team and Ferguson had iron-clad discipline that kept them all in line.”

Jones sees the lack of popularity of rugby among children in a non-formal setting is holding back the sport.

“It’s the way the players are educated. I’ve been here seven years now and I’ve never seen kids in a park playing touch football [rugby]. Never. Zero. In the southern hemisphere they are all doing that, developing their skills. Here you see them playing football, but never touch football. That’s the problem. It’s all formal coaching, in a formal setting, in public schools. You are going to have to blow the whole thing up at some stage, change it because you are not getting enough skilful players through.”

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Graeme 869 days ago

Too right Eddie, the world is becoming an increasingly compliant place & we are seeing it in rugby 🏉

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Chris 869 days ago

Whoever is in charge of the IRB is doing a terrible job. Rugby is shrinking weekly. There has been numerous opportunities to grow the game. Japan 2019, super rugby with Argentina. Etc etc etc. grassroots rugby is not being looked after either! Disgrace! They are more concerned with their own paycheques than rugby. True rugby men like Eddie and Hanson are angry and rightly so!

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JW 4 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I had a look at the wiki article again, it's all terribly old data (not that I'd see reason for much change in the case of SA).

Number Of Clubs:

1526

Registered+Unregistered Players:

651146

Number of Referees:

3460

Pre-teen Male Players:

320842

Pre-teen Female Player:

4522

Teen Male Player:

199213

Teen Female Player:

4906

Senior Male Player:

113174

Senior Female Player:

8489

Total Male Player:

633229

Total Female Player:

17917


So looking for something new as were more concerned with adults specifically, so I had a look at their EOY Financial Review.

The total number of clubs remains consistent, with a marginal increase of 1% from 1,161 to 1,167. 8.1.

A comparative analysis of verified data for 2022 and 2023 highlights a marginal decline of 1% in the number of female players, declining from 6,801 to 6,723. Additionally, the total number of players demonstrates an 8% decrease, dropping from 96,172 to 88,828.

So 80k+ adult males (down from 113k), but I'm not really sure when youth are involved with SAn clubs, or if that data is for some reason not being referenced/included. 300k male students however (200k in old wiki data).


https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2020/07/28/212ed9cf-cd61-4fa3-b9d4-9f0d5fb61116/P56-57-Participation-Map_v3.pdf has France at 250k registered but https://presse-europe1-fr.translate.goog/exclu-europe-1-le-top-10-des-sports-les-plus-pratiques-en-france-en-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp has them back up at 300k registered.


The French number likely Students + Club, but everyone collects data different I reckon. In that WR pdf for instance a lot of the major nations have a heavily registered setup, were as a nation like England can penetrate into a lot more schools to run camps and include them in the reach of rugby. For instance the SARU release says only 29% of schools are reached by proper rugby programs, where as the 2million English number would be through a much much higer penetration I'd imagine. Which is thanks to schools having the ability to involve themselves in programs more than anything.


In any case, I don't think you need to be concerned with the numbers, whether they are 300 or 88k, there is obviously a big enough following for their pro scenes already to have enough quality players for a 10/12 team competition. They appear ibgger than France but I don't really by the lower English numbers going around.

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