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Justin Marshall identifies two positions the All Blacks are lacking depth in

Rieko Ioane of the All Blacks runs through drills with Jordie Barrett and Beauden Barrett during a New Zealand All Blacks training session at Mt Smart Stadium on June 30, 2023 in Auckland, New Zealand. (Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images)

Talent depth will always be a key question emerging from a Rugby World Cup year and the subsequent player exodus, but not something that the All Blacks traditionally have all that much trouble with. While there’s often a budding superstar ready to make that jump, there are two positions that have former All Black Justin Marshall concerned in 2024.

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The experience that departed New Zealand following the World Cup was inevitably a dramatic loss; not just core members of the on-field trusted performers unit but the off-field brains trust as well.

Players like Sam Whitelock and Aaron Smith were stalwarts in the All Blacks for well over a decade and boast significant cap records to their names along with world titles and more illustrious individual and team accomplishments.

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Whitelock and his traditional locking partner Brodie Retallick vacating a second row in which they had mortgages on for so long has left concerns over how prepared the next generation of New Zealand’s locking talent is for the bright lights of the international arena.

Similarly, at halfback, Smith outperformed the advances of many young talented No. 9s who have since found homes in France and Japan.

The injury to Hurricanes’ young gun Cam Roigard threw more concern over the state of the All Blacks No. 9 jersey in the post-Smith era, but Marshall, someone who knows all about that jersey, dismissed those concerns, instead identifying two other positions that he sees a dangerous lack of depth in.

“I don’t feel that we’ve got massive depth, to a degree, in our flyhalf area,” Marshall told Newstalk ZB.

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“10 is a jersey that has been dominated to a degree, in the last decade, by Beauden Barrett and Richie Mo’unga. There’s been little intros and opportunities for the likes of Damian McKenzie but they’ve been few and far between. Stephen Perofeta was messed around by Ian Foster.

“Below those two, there’s been no real progress.”

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The impending return of Beauden Barrett offers plenty of questions in regards to his potential role in an All Blacks setup. Meanwhile, within Super Rugby Pacific, the Highlanders have a former Welsh international running their attack, the Crusaders are yet to field their best No. 10 but he’s also leaving at the end of the year, and the Hurricanes have been performing exceptionally well with the steady hand and reliability of one-time All Black Brett Cameron.

Marshall’s second position of concern could be found just outside the first receiver.

“Another area that does concern me, to a degree, is centre. We’ve had to switch a winger, a world-class winger, probably one of the fastest in the world, into centre because we never replaced Conrad Smith.

“Jack Godhue with his injury problems was seen as being possibly that replacement. But, to that end, there’s been nobody else that’s come through and been absolutely devastating.

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“I thought possibly Leicester Fainga’anuku could have been that answer, but obviously he’s moved on too.

“Those two positions would be the two I’d be most concerned about, 10 and 13, that we don’t have enough depth in those jerseys; not that we don’t have quality players that under Scott Robertson could come in and realize their true potential internationally.”

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Mark 352 days ago

More concern is the lack of seasoned locking quality at international standard, as well as little real depth at 6 and 8. ABs will lack domination if they don’t find quality replacements for Frizzel and Reid, beyond Ardie.

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Jasyn 353 days ago

10 has been a problem in part because at some point an obsession started in Nz thinking every 10 is a frustrated 15.

Guys who grew up playing first-five suddenly get put at fullback and occasionally switched back and forth until they're master of neither position. Beauden, Perofeta, Zarn Sullivan, McKenzie, Josh Ioane, Harry Godfrey, Reuden Love, Fergus Burke etc, etc, etc.

The mythical ‘dual-playmaker’ pairing that is talked about as the key to unlocking everything (and never has) means we haven't had a proper fullback for five years, and now have a stack of ‘fullbacks’ running around who we’re once very promising 10s.

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Bryan 353 days ago

Agree our depth is lacking at 10 but centre we are fine. Plenty of young talent coming thru at 13 but because we want a DMac or Mounga prototype it’s going to be hard to find someone.

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David 353 days ago

we have got cover at centre and the backs thecheifs playerfrom north harbour and if beauden wants to play hecan be coverfrom the bench and dont forget quinn from the cheifs wanst for darcy swain would jordie beat 12. look atthe under20s players coming through

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Chiefs Mana 353 days ago

Perofeta “messed around by Fozzy”, a fourth string first five coming into a World Cup…hardly messed around. He’s been in ABs camp and has a few international minutes, that’s better than many in his position would’ve had.

He’s also far from a complete player so 10 is certainly an issue for us.

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MattJH 353 days ago

I disagree about Rieko at 13. He has been given time in the position and has developed into our best centre.
I don’t think this happened because there were no replacements for Conrad smith.
ALB is a mean centre, I think that foster just banked on Rieko becoming the best 13, and he has.
1st five is a concern for sure, I’m hoping Stephen PressureFretter calms down and comes right.
That dude they had for the chiefs against the crusaders looked decent too.

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