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‘We’re human’: Kirwan describes the ‘enormous amount of pressure’ on All Blacks

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Playing for the All Blacks is a goal that many New Zealanders spend years dreaming of. It’s an unrivalled honour, but a privilege that comes burdened with a roller coaster of emotions.

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These mere mortals carry an almost unbearable weight of responsibility into every Test match. The All Blacks are practically looked at as Gods and are expected to play like it, too.

Rugby fans are glued to highlights reels and behind-the-scenes clips on social media whenever the All Blacks win. The taste of sweet, sweet victory is godly for players and fans alike.

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But the lows of defeat are tough.

Two-time World Rugby Player of the Year, Beauden Barrett, sent New Zealand into a state of euphoria when the All Black scored the final try of the 2015 Rugby World Cup final.

With less than two minutes to run on the clock, Barrett showed some tidy skills to score a try that will live on in All Blacks history forever. New Zealand became back-to-back World Cup winners for the first time.

Barrett let out a massive grin as he battered the ball into the air, but was tackled by a jubilant Julian Savea almost immediately afterwards. But it didn’t wipe the smile off his face.

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Barrett and the All Blacks had made history.

But that same player has experienced some dark days as a rugby player.

New Zealand were beaten by northern hemisphere heavyweights Ireland in a series on home soil last year. It was the first time that had ever happened, and the hurt was felt across Aotearoa.

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Barrett, 32, said on NZR+ docuseries All Blacks: In Their Own Words, “It’s not like someone’s died but it’s probably the next worst thing.” That quote is raw and reflective of New Zealand rugby culture.

Ahead of the All Blacks’ record defeat to the world champion Springboks at Twickenham last week, Barrett sat alongside teammates Sam Whitelock and Anton Lienert-Brown on a mental health panel.

The All Blacks trio were joined by Rugby World Cup winner Sir John Kirwan, who is a leading advocate for mental health awareness and prevention in New Zealand.

Kirwan said that these rugby players experience an “enormous amount of pressure” whenever they pull on the black jersey – and they “feel” it as well.

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“It is our national identity, it’s what we hang our hat on,” Kirwan told RugbyPass in London.

“Any Kiwi, even if he doesn’t like rugby, and he comes to the UK or he’s driving through Portugal and he stops as a bar, they say ‘where are you from,’ you say ‘New Zealand’ and they say ‘All Blacks.’

“You take that pride that we have and the players feel that responsibility, we feel that responsibility passionately that we are representing our communities are our people.

“That creates an enormous amount of pressure and we feel that pressure, and you have to learn how to manage it.”

The man known as ‘JK’ by rugby fans, pundits and players is hoping to “change the world’ as he continues to speak openly about mental health and his challenge as an All Black.

Last week in London, New Zealand Rugby launched a groundbreaking partnership with Kirwan’s proactive wellbeing platform Groov.

The company will support those involved in community and grassroots programs, as well as high-performance teams including the All Blacks and Black Ferns.

“I think it’s fundamental for our sportspeople and our leaders across all sports, not just rugby, that everyone understands that we’re human,” Kirwan added.

“To perform you’ve got to get that mental health balance right – we all go through tough times. When you go through tough times you’ve got to have…that playbook.

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“For me, it’s if you want to change the world, and as I mentioned before, we’ve got the power to change… It’s pretty exciting when great men like that come out and say it’s okay.”

In the same docuseries as Beauden Barrett, All Blacks veteran Dane Coles spoke about how a teacher at his child’s daycare was “ripping into me” after the disastrous series defeat.

“I couldn’t escape it,” Coles said. The pressure and expectation is relentless, but that’s the life of an All Black.

High-performance sport is tough. Kirwan felt the pain of defeat during a losing run with the Auckland Blues as head coach.

Kirwan won the 1987 Rugby World Cup in New Zealand and went on to coach the Blues in Super Rugby, and both Italy and Japan in the international game.

The former All Black resigned as the Blues coach on June 18, 2015, following a disastrous campaign.

“It’s really, really hard, mate. It’s hard when you’re not performing in any sport so the mental side of the game is fundamental.

“Getting that balance right, being able to switch off.

“I remember, and I was mentally well, but when the Blues weren’t going well I wasn’t sleeping. I had to readdress that and say, ‘Well, if I’m not sleeping there’s going to be this spiral.’

“You’ve got to be really conscious of how you keep yourself in that performance care, and that performance care balance.

“People sometimes don’t see you as a person, they see you as a God or as a person that can deal with what you throw at them because they must be able to do that.

“They’re human and we’re all human. It’s something that you have to learn to compartmentalise, but some people can compartmentalise naturally, and some of us can’t. It’s something that I had to learn.”

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B.J. Spratt 474 days ago

Yeah! Andrew it must be so tough being an All Black. Most young kids growing up in New Zealand have no idea who the All Blacks are and what they do.

I agree with Shaylen. A bit of your soul may die Andrew but most of us couldn't care less. We are excellent at a lot of other Sports and in 10 years Basketball will be our National Sport.

I am 68 and I will never see New Zealand win another World Rugby Cup.

When you consider over 75% of All Blacks will suffer from CTE, the odd loss is really not really the problem, we should be worried about.

I love watching Rugby. Would I want my grandsons to play it?

Hell no! The New Zealand Rugby Union thinks CTE is part of a Physical Education Degree.

Most responsible young parents won't allow their kids to play rugby, hence the 25% drop in player participation in the last 10 years in New Zealand.

I am destined to watch old videos of our "Great All Black Teams"

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Andrew 476 days ago

Its rough being a test player in the only global sport we are consistently any good at. If the ABs become just another side in test rugby as it appears
to be happening, a bit of NZs soul will die with it.

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Scott 476 days ago

All Blacks and Springboks are use to ridiculously high expectations by the countrymen.

Let’s see if Ireland and France can cope with the weight of being expected to win the World Cup and the pressure that brings.

History says they will not.

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Tristan 476 days ago

I've always had a huge amount of respect for JK and how he has pioneered the mental health conversation on NZ rugby.

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I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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