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Lawrence Dallaglio wades into the debate over Champions Cup status

Lawrence Dallaglio on punditry duty last weekend with Premier Sports

Lawrence Dallaglio has taken to task the critics who believe the Investec Champions Cup isn’t as good as it once was. The format of the 30-year-old tournament has changed in recent seasons, while teams from South Africa have also been permitted to take part.

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“This has led to claims that the competition doesn’t grab the imagination and inspire as it did before. Dallaglio, though, has begged to differ and ahead of this weekend’s round two, he has suggested that critics taking pot-shots at the credibility of the Champions Cup “need their head examined”.

The former England and British and Irish Lions forward twice won the trophy with Wasps, defeating Toulouse in the 2004 final at Twickenham and then getting the better of Leicester at the same stadium in 2007. Now working as a Premier Sports pundit, Dallaglio has launched a passionate defence of the much-tweaked tournament.

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“Anyone who says the competition does not hold its value and status in the game needs their head examined, as they are not following the same game as the rest of us,” he insisted.

“Look at La Rochelle last weekend. They can’t put in a decent performance domestically for three weeks and they come over to Bath and beat the team that is top of our table. That’s a team that cares about this.

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“Toulon, who notoriously don’t travel very well, were able to go out to South Africa and pull off a sensational victory. The big super powers like Leinster and Toulouse – they couldn’t have put out stronger teams for round one of the Investec Champions Cup.

“It’s the greatest club competition in the world, it’s international rugby in a club jersey,” he added. “It’s playing with your mates that you are with week-in-week out.

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“Quite a few of the guys don’t necessarily get to play international rugby and this competition elevates, in terms of performance, but also the fans, the venues, the atmospheres. It’s incredibly exciting.

“You see world-class players, world-class stadiums and world-class performances. I have been lucky enough to play for some good teams with Lions and England, and I can safely say my two Heineken Cup medals rank right up there as some of the best moments of my career and in our lives as rugby players.

“We will see some pretty epic games this season and the away experiences you get are so memorable.  My friends and family all say that following their club and watching their team pull off famous victories away from home in this competition, are the best rugby memories they have.”

There were just two wins in last weekend’s round one by the eight English teams taking part in Champions Cup 2024/25, Saracens defeating the Bulls in London and Northampton dismissing Castres in the East Midlands.

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Dallaglio, though, has refused to write off the chances of Premiership teams competing to win in the latter stages of a tournament in which Exeter in 2020 were the last English winners.

“We have sides in the English Premiership that will challenge, that’s for sure. All the English teams were in the fight last week and scrapping, picking up points and some losing bonus points. It’s early days. La Rochelle lost two games in the opening rounds last season and qualified for the knock-out stages.

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“We also saw three away wins out of 12 fixtures, so we all know winning away from home in this competition is at a premium. It’s going to be fascinating this weekend. Toulouse, who looked very strong, are the team to beat – but that doesn’t mean they are unbeatable.

“Leinster are flexing their muscles and have added some overseas talent and flair to their already very impressive squad, I would not discount them either.

“Bordeaux must have had some pretty strong coffee at half-time because they came out in the second half having realised they were playing at home and certainly showed what they are capable of. Also, we saw a very impressive away win for Toulon.

“If the Sharks decide to point their resources to this competition they may well challenge as well. They have players who play all year round, and who are able to play their trade anywhere in the world – have boots will travel and they deliver wherever they are based.

“With the squad they have got, they will be strong, I expect to see them qualify for the latter stages and then anything can happen.”

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Mark 31 days ago

Judging by the very obvious lack of supporter numbers in the SA stadiums, it's very clear that the South African rugby public are not at all convinced by the validity of this tournament.

Add to that the media coverage, and it's patently clear that there are serious issues.

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JW 5 hours ago
How law changes are speeding up the game - but the scrum lags behind

so what's the point?

A deep question!


First, the point would be you wouldn't have a share of those penalities if you didn't choose good scrummers right.


So having incentive to scrummaging well gives more space in the field through having less mobile players.


This balance is what we always strive to come back to being the focus of any law change right.


So to bring that back to some of the points in this article, if changing the current 'offense' structure of scrums, to say not penalizing a team that's doing their utmost to hold up the scrum (allowing play to continue even if they did finally succumb to collapsing or w/e for example), how are we going to stop that from creating a situation were a coach can prioritize the open play abilities of their tight five, sacrificing pure scrummaging, because they won't be overly punished by having a weak scrum?


But to get back on topic, yes, that balance is too skewed, the prevalence has been too much/frequent.


At the highest level, with the best referees and most capable props, it can play out appealingly well. As you go down the levels, the coaching of tactics seems to remain high, but the ability of the players to adapt and hold their scrum up against that guy boring, or the skill of the ref in determining what the cause was and which of those two to penalize, quickly degrades the quality of the contest and spectacle imo (thank good european rugby left that phase behind!)


Personally I have some very drastic changes in mind for the game that easily remedy this prpblem (as they do for all circumstances), but the scope of them is too great to bring into this context (some I have brought in were applicable), and without them I can only resolve to come up with lots of 'finicky' like those here. It is easy to understand why there is reluctance in their uptake.


I also think it is very folly of WR to try and create this 'perfect' picture of simple laws that can be used to cover all aspects of the game, like 'a game to be played on your feet' etc, and not accept it needs lots of little unique laws like these. I'd be really happy to create some arbitrary advantage for the scrum victors (similar angle to yours), like if you can make your scrum go forward, that resets the offside line from being the ball to the back foot etc, so as to create a way where your scrum wins a foot be "5 meters back" from the scrum becomes 7, or not being able to advance forward past the offisde line (attack gets a free run at you somehow, or devide the field into segments and require certain numbers to remain in the other sgements (like the 30m circle/fielders behind square requirements in cricket). If you're defending and you go forward then not just is your 9 still allowed to harras the opposition but the backline can move up from the 5m line to the scrum line or something.


Make it a real mini game, take your solutions and making them all circumstantial. Having differences between quick ball or ball held in longer, being able to go forward, or being pushed backwards, even to where the scrum stops and the ref puts his arm out in your favour. Think of like a quick tap scenario, but where theres no tap. If the defending team collapses the scrum in honest attempt (even allow the attacking side to collapse it after gong forward) the ball can be picked up (by say the eight) who can run forward without being allowed to be tackled until he's past the back of the scrum for example. It's like a little mini picture of where the defence is scrambling back onside after a quick tap was taken.


The purpose/intent (of any such gimmick) is that it's going to be so much harder to stop his momentum, and subsequent tempo, that it's a really good advantage for having such a powerful scrum. No change of play to a lineout or blowing of the whistle needed.

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