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Leinster's perfect start wiped out in South Africa

Luther Obi scores for Cheetahs

Leinster will be wanting to forget their first trip to South Africa in a hurry.

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The Cheetahs recorded a second successive win in the Pro14 as they ended Leinster’s perfect start to the season with a comfortable 38-19 success in Bloemfontein.

The South African side had registered their first victory since joining the competition when they saw off Zebre 54-39 last time out, but Friday’s performance was much more impressive against a Leinster side who had beaten the other newcomers, the Southern Kings, 31-10 last weekend.

Ernst Stapelberg’s four penalties and a try from William Small-Smith, who latched on to captain Francois Venter’s offload after the skipper had been put through by Tian Meyer, gave the Cheetahs a 19-5 lead at half-time.

Torsten van Jaarsveld then went over from a rolling maul, before Ox Nche peeled off the back of a maul to make it 31-5.

Barry Daly added to his first-half score with two more for the Irish province, who went into the game on the back of three bonus-point wins, to complete his hat-trick and make the scoreline more respectable, but Luther Obi had the final say to seal an extra point with Cheetahs’ fourth try late on.

 

The Cheetahs are now third in Group A, which is topped by Glasgow Warriors after the Scottish side won a battle of two unbeaten teams by overcoming Munster 37-10.

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The hosts were always in command and led 20-5 at the break, the Warriors then putting the game beyond reach as Nick Grigg went over in the corner moments after Billy Holland had been sin-binned four minutes into the second half.

From there was no way back for the visitors in a game that saw Finn Russell enjoy a fine day with the boot, kicking 17 of Glasgow’s points, with Munster’s misery compounded by Fineen Wycherley’s late dismissal.

Meanwhile, Ospreys suffered a third consecutive defeat at the hands of Treviso, the Italian side collecting their second win on the bounce thanks predominantly to eight points from the tee for Ian McKinley. The 16-6 triumph was wrapped up by a late penalty from Marty Banks.

Elsewhere, Ulster ran in eight tries as they put Dragons to the sword in a 52-25 victory.

 

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fl 4 hours ago
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“Why do you downplay his later career, post 50? He won a treble less than two years ago, with a club who played more games and won more games than any other team that managed the same feat. His crowning achievement - by his own admission.”

He’s won many trebles in his career - why do you only care about one of them?

I think its unsurprising that he’d feel more emotional about his recent achievements, but its less clear why you do.


“Is it FA cups or League cups you’re forgetting in his English trophy haul? You haven’t made that clear…”

It actually was clear, if you knew the number he had won of each, but I was ignoring the league cup, because Germany and Spain only have one cup competition so it isn’t possible to compare league cup performance with City to his performance with Bayern and Barcelona.


“With Barcelona he won 14 trophies. With Bayern Munich he won 5 trophies. With City he has currently won 18 trophies…”

I can count, but clearly you can’t divide! He was at Barca for 4 years, so that’s 3.5 trophies per year. He was at Bayern for 3 years, and actually won 7 trophies so that’s 2.3 trophies per year. He has been at City for 8 completed seasons so that’s 2.25 trophies per year. If in his 9th season (this one) he wins both the FA cup and the FIFA club world cup that will take his total to 20 for an average of 2.22 trophies per year.


To be clear - you said that Pep had gotten better with age by every metric. In fact by most metrics he has gotten worse!

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fl 6 hours ago
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“He made history beyond the age of 50. History.”

He made history before the age of 50, why are you so keen to downplay Pep’s early career achievements? In 2009 he won the sextuple. No other manager in history had achieved that, and Pep hasn’t achieved it since, but here you are jizzing your pants over a couple of CL finals.


“If continuing to break records and achieve trophies isn't a metric for success”

Achieving trophies is a metric for success, and Pep wins fewer trophies as he gets older.


“He's still competing for a major trophy this year. Should he get it, it would be 8 consecutive seasons with a major trophy. Then the world club cup in the summer.”

You’re cherry picking some quite odd stats now. In Pep’s first 8 seasons as a manager he won 6 league titles, 2 CL titles, & 4 cup titles. In Pep’s last 8 seasons as a manager (including this one) he’s won 6 league titles, 1 CL title, & 2 (or possibly 3) cup titles. In his first 8 seasons he won the FIFA world club cup 3 times; in his last 8 seasons he’s won it 1 (or possibly soon to be 2) time(s). In his first 8 seasons he won the UEFA super cup 3 times; in his last 8 he won the UEFA super cup once. His record over the past 8 seasons has been amazing - but it is a step down from his record in his first 8 seasons, and winning the FA cup and FIFA club world cup this summer won’t change that.


Pep is still a brilliant manager. He will probably remain a brilliant manager for many years to come, but you seem to want to forget how incredible he was when he first broke through. To be clear - you said that Pep had gotten better with age by every metric. That was false!

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